Return-Path: Received: from bree.pipcom.com ([204.92.62.3] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1) with SMTP id 2511035 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:04:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 17842 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2003 15:04:34 -0000 Received: from ras1-18.pipcom.com (HELO new) (204.92.62.81) by bree.pipcom.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2003 15:04:34 -0000 Message-ID: <009f01c35a99$5dc82600$0b3cfea9@new> From: "Peter Cowan/Lexy Cameron" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh report Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 11:01:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009B_01C35A77.BADA90C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C35A77.BADA90C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not for profit organizations are run by the board of directors. A few = years ago my wife was involved with one that had several board members = who were not doing a good job for the organization. The election of = board members occurs at the annual meeting when members vote for them. = Prior to the annual meeting I made it my job as a member to collect as = many proxy votes as I could by contacting existing members and bringing = in many new ones. The result was that at the annual meeting I controlled = enough proxies to determine the outcome of each vote. We got the slate = of board members we wanted. Maybe this is worth looking at in EAA. Peter=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Barry Gardner=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:01 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh report Guys,=20 This topic is a bit far afield from our interest in rotary engines = however I thought I'd kick in what I know. I work as a management consultant to non-profits. You should know, if = this is an area of interest to you, that EAA's tax return is on-line at = www.guidestar.org. Publicly available tax returns are part of the price = one pays in order to be granted non-profit status by the IRS. The .pdf file containing EAA's 2002 IRS 990 tax return is = http://documents.guidestar.org/2002/390/917/2002-390917537-1-9.pdf. You have to register to view the file but it costs nothing to = register. Here are some of the significant stats: Paul P's salary: $78,471 Tom P's salary: $179,317 + $26,964 in benefit payments Chief marketing guy, Stephan Brown's salary: $205K + $22K benefits Chief financial officer, Jerome Strigler's salary: $152K + $19K = benefits Some major numbers from the income statement: Sport Aviation and Experimenter subscriptions and ad revenue: $2.5 = million Fly-in registration revenue: $3.4 million Fly-in booth rental: $2.6 million EAA membership fees: $5.9 million Total revenue for 2002: $17.9 million According to their tax return, they spent $213,552 more than came in = that year. You can satisfy most of your curiosity about how the numbers work at = EAA by looking at the tax return. Barry Gardner Wheaton, IL ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael D. Callahan=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Oshkosh report "But it is the emphasis that is all wrong. The homebuilds, the = innovative, the one of a kind, and the associated issues and activities = should be the centerpiece; and the other stuff can gather around. = Otherwise it is no longer the EAA; and it is not living up to its name." The problem is that the homebuilts, the one-of-a-kinds, and = associated activities don't bring in as much money as the warbirds and = the airshow. MONEY is now the primary driving factor of the whole EAA, = Airventure organization. We, the members with less than $ .5 million in = our checking account, and those who don't have a P-51 and an Extra 300 = or Giles or two out in the backyard hangar, are just in the way... = although our continuous flow of funds is appreciated by those who are in = charge of this "non-profit" organization (Tom Poberezny). Our planes and = ideas are just filler material to make the whole thing look bigger so = more people come, so they make more money. Just take the average few years attendance of 750K people and = multiply it times a McDonald's 1/4lb cheeseburger at $4 and the truth = will be revealed. Then do that with the admission charges, the camping, = EAA merchandising, etc.... They are making MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ONE = WEEK! and that's not including EAA annual memberships and dues. Now look at what we, the members get out of our EAA membership. = We get the honor of being able to attend this event and give them more = money, we get a half-assed version of "Flying" magazine with very little = pertaining to actually working on or building your own airplane (unless = it's the latest $150K factory fast-build kit), and we get the benefit of = joining a local chapter, where we may actually gain something of value = in terms of help and knowledge from people who, like us, do not make a = red cent off this deal. Now look at what is spent on the EAA museum, the supposed = beneficiary of this whole thing (a very nice museum, but not what it = could be if the total funds recieved were available), and then look at = poor old Tommy P. He slaves away day after day making sure things are = going in the right direction for this once a year money-making event, = taking only enough time the rest of the entire year to flit around in = his P-51, or any of his other stable of aircraft. He is a = multi-millionare thanks to us. Not only that, but practically ALL the labor for this HIGH = DOLLAR show is not just volunteers... THEY HAVE PAID TO VOLUNTEER! Even = at our little local airshow, we wouldn't DREAM of charging those who = give freely of their time for walking through the gate to do so. That is = why, when I go up there, I don't even CONSIDER helping out as a = "volunteer". Maybe Tommy and the crowd should get together with somebody like = Oral Roberts and make a real killing..like they haven't already. Mike C. ------=_NextPart_000_009B_01C35A77.BADA90C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not for profit organizations are run by = the board=20 of directors. A few years ago my wife was involved with one that had = several=20 board members who were not doing a good job for the organization. The = election=20 of board members occurs at the annual meeting when members vote for = them.=20 Prior to the annual meeting I made it my job as a member to collect as = many=20 proxy votes as I could by contacting existing members and bringing = in many=20 new ones. The result was that at the annual meeting I controlled enough = proxies=20 to determine the outcome of each vote. We got the slate of board members = we=20 wanted.
Maybe this is worth looking at in = EAA.
Peter 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Barry Gardner
Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 = 7:01=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Oshkosh=20 report

Guys,
 
This topic is a bit far afield from = our interest=20 in rotary engines however I thought I'd kick in what I = know.
 
I work as a management consultant to = non-profits.=20 You should know, if this is an area of interest to you, that EAA's tax = return=20 is on-line at www.guidestar.org.=20 Publicly available tax returns are part of the price one = pays in=20 order to be granted non-profit status by the IRS.
 
The .pdf file containing EAA's 2002 = IRS 990 tax=20 return is http://documents.guidestar.org/2002/390/917/2002-390917537-1-9.pdf= .
 
You have to register to view the file = but it=20 costs nothing to register.
 
Here are some of the significant=20 stats:
Paul P's salary: $78,471
Tom P's salary: $179,317 + $26,964 in = benefit=20 payments
Chief marketing guy, Stephan Brown's = salary:=20 $205K + $22K benefits
Chief financial officer, Jerome = Strigler's=20 salary: $152K + $19K benefits
 
Some major numbers from the income=20 statement:
Sport Aviation and Experimenter = subscriptions and=20 ad revenue: $2.5 million
Fly-in registration revenue: $3.4=20 million
Fly-in booth rental: $2.6 = million
EAA membership fees: $5.9 = million
 
Total revenue for 2002: $17.9=20 million
According to their tax return, they = spent=20 $213,552 more than came in that year.
 
You can satisfy most of your = curiosity about how=20 the numbers work at EAA by looking at the tax return.
 
Barry Gardner
Wheaton, IL
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael D. Callahan =
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 = 11:48=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Oshkosh=20 report

"But it is the emphasis that is = all=20 wrong.  The homebuilds, the innovative, the one of a kind, and = the=20 associated issues and activities should be the centerpiece; and the = other=20 stuff can gather around.  Otherwise it is no longer the EAA; = and it is=20 not living up to its name."
 
    The problem is that the = homebuilts, the=20 one-of-a-kinds, and associated activities don't bring in as much = money as=20 the warbirds and the airshow. MONEY is now the primary driving = factor of the=20 whole EAA, Airventure organization. We, the members with less = than $ .5=20 million in our checking account, and those who don't = have a=20 P-51 and an Extra 300 or Giles or two out in the backyard = hangar, are=20 just in the way... although our continuous flow of funds is = appreciated=20 by those who are in charge of this "non-profit" organization (Tom=20 Poberezny). Our planes and ideas are just filler material to make = the whole=20 thing look bigger so more people come, so they make more = money.
    Just take the average few = years=20 attendance of 750K people and multiply it times a McDonald's 1/4lb=20 cheeseburger at $4 and the truth will be revealed. Then do that with = the=20 admission charges, the camping, EAA merchandising, etc.... They are = making=20 MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN ONE WEEK! and that's not including EAA annual = memberships and dues.
    Now look at what we, the = members get=20 out of our EAA membership. We get the honor of being able to attend = this=20 event and give them more money, we get a half-assed version of = "Flying"=20 magazine with very little pertaining to actually working on or = building your=20 own airplane (unless it's the latest $150K factory fast-build kit), = and we=20 get the benefit of joining a local chapter, where we may actually = gain=20 something of value in terms of help and knowledge from people who, = like us,=20 do not make a red cent off this deal.
    Now look at what is spent on = the EAA=20 museum, the supposed beneficiary of this whole thing (a very nice=20 museum,  but not what it could be if the total funds recieved = were=20 available), and then look at poor old Tommy P. He slaves away day = after day=20 making sure things are going in the right direction for this once a = year=20 money-making event, taking only enough time the rest of the entire=20 year to flit around in his P-51, or any of his other stable of=20 aircraft. He is a multi-millionare thanks to us.
    Not only that, but = practically ALL the=20 labor for this HIGH DOLLAR show is not just volunteers... THEY = HAVE=20 PAID TO VOLUNTEER! Even at our little local airshow, we wouldn't = DREAM of=20 charging those who give freely of their time for walking through the = gate to=20 do so. That is why, when I go up there, I don't even CONSIDER = helping out as=20 a "volunteer".
    Maybe Tommy and the crowd = should get=20 together with somebody like Oral Roberts and make a real = killing..like they=20 haven't already.  Mike=20 C.
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