X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [199.185.220.240] (HELO priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 952457 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:10:03 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=199.185.220.240; envelope-from=echolakeresort@telus.net Received: from boucher-oddle24 ([207.194.26.200]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050522030915.FHDL3174.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@boucher-oddle24> for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 21:09:15 -0600 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.322 [266.11.13]); Sat, 21 May 2005 20:09:13 -0700 Message-Id: <428FF7D5.000004.05420@BOUCHER-ODDLE24> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:09:09 -0700 (Pacific Standard Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (3001609) From: "Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)" References: To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Crash investigation X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-428FF7D93297=======" --=======AVGMAIL-428FF7D93297======= Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9FFVBHK0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_9FFVBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! Todd=0D I'm in BC were are you?=0D Georges B.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Date: 05/21/05 17:55:39=0D To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0D Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Crash investigation=0D =0D Hi David;=0D I think you've got a heck of a good idea there, I just hope that the organization never has anything to do. While the FAA or Transport Canada = may not want outsiders doing their investigations, it is clear that they have little interest in fully investigating an accident cause and are satisfie= d with filling in the blanks. While I don't feel I may be fully qualified f= or this task, I realize that at least in this part of Canada, I may be a contender for the job, which I hope to be never called upon to do. So how would we go about setting up an organization with official status that wo= uld be taken seriously by the bureaucrats?=0D Another thought that I'd like to add; If this ever happened to me, I'= d like to have some legal statement in place instructing Transport Canada t= o allow one of our community to participate in the investigation or at the very least (if nobody is able to travel this far north:-), release any da= ta from the long-hoped-for and much-begged-for, EM2 datalogger if it ever becomes a reality. That would probably carry more weight than any quasi-official organization and is something that we can each take care o= f now. We don't want to think of it happening to us, but it's much the same= as the organ donor card, can't deal with it when were dead. I'd like to thin= k that if my number was up, at least some good could come from it.=0D I believe there was a lawyer in the group? Any opinion on the legal aspect of this. Would this simply be ignored by the feds until the investigation had concluded? In any case, I'm going down to tell the wife right now what my wishes are, so at least there is a verbal statement fro= m me that I'd want you guys involved. Not that I'm planning on giving you something to do :-)=0D Todd Bartrim=0D =0D RV9Endurance=0D 13B Turbo Rotary=0D C-FSTB=0D http://www3.telus.net/haywire/RV-9/C-FSTB.htm=0D =0D "The world will always have a place for those that bring har= d work and determination to the things they do."=0D =0D My suggestion is that WE.. the rotary community.. need to incorporate and establish ourselves.. just like any other type-club. We need to establish ourselves as a bonafide entity, with qualified individuals who are 1) intelligent 2) educated 3) detail oriented 4) OBJECTIVE and 5) able to dr= op what they are doing for 3 or 4 days and travel on their own nickel to perform a role similar to what Paul did. Hell.. even INCLUDE him.. but ma= ke sure the "go team" aspect of this organization is able to focus on the FA= CTS of the situation and not draw premature conclusions. We would need to petition the NTSB and FAA to make them acutely aware at the regional leve= l in EACH region that we have representatives on hand to assist with investigations of rotary powered aircraft. WE would be the experts on wet= her something was acceptable or not (oil premix, for instance) in the rotary community, and would be able to render input to the board reps/investigat= ors but we would have to be able to BACK IT UP WITH FACTS in any case. =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_9FFVBHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 Hi! Todd
I'm in BC were are you?
Georges B.
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 05/21/05 17:= 55:39
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Crash investigation
 
Hi David;
    I think you've got a heck of a good idea ther= e, I just hope that the organization never has anything to do. While the = FAA or Transport Canada may not want outsiders doing their investigations= , it is clear that they have little interest in fully investigating an ac= cident cause and are satisfied with filling in the blanks. While I don't = feel I may be fully qualified for this task, I realize that at least in t= his part of Canada, I may be a contender for the job, which I hope to be = never called upon to do. <= FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>So how would we go about setti= ng up an organization with official status that would be taken seriously = by the bureaucrats?
    Another thought that I'd like to add; If this= ever happened to me, I'd like to have some legal statement in place inst= ructing Transport Canada to allow one of our community to participat= e in the investigation or at the very least (if nobody is able to travel = this far north:-), release any data from the long-hoped-for and much-begg= ed-for, EM2 datalogger if it ever becomes a reality. That would probably = carry more weight than any quasi-official organization and is something t= hat we can each take care of now. We don't want to think of it happening = to us, but it's much the same as the organ donor card, can't deal with it= when were dead. I'd like to think that if my number was up, at least som= e good could come from it.
    I believe there was a lawyer in the group? An= y opinion on the legal aspect of this. Would this simply be ignored by th= e feds until the investigation had concluded? In any case, I'm going down= to tell the wife right now what my wishes are, so at least there is a ve= rbal statement from me that I'd want you guys involved. Not that I'm plan= ning on giving you something to do :-)
Todd Bartrim
 
RV9Endurance
13B Turbo Rotary
C-FSTB
 
      &nbs= p;      "The world will always have a place for = those that bring hard work and determination to the things they do."

My suggestion is that WE.. the rotary co= mmunity.. need to incorporate and establish ourselves.. just like any oth= er type-club. We need to establish ourselves as a bonafide entity, with q= ualified individuals who are 1) intelligent 2) educated 3) detail oriente= d 4) OBJECTIVE and 5) able to drop what they are doing for 3 or 4 days an= d travel on their own nickel to perform a role similar to what Paul did. = Hell.. even INCLUDE him.. but make sure the "go team" aspect of this orga= nization is able to focus on the FACTS of the situation and not draw prem= ature conclusions. We would need to petition the NTSB and FAA to make the= m acutely aware at the regional level in EACH region that we have represe= ntatives on hand to assist with investigations of rotary powered aircraft= =2E WE would be the experts on wether something was acceptable or not (oi= l premix, for instance) in the rotary community, and would be able to ren= der input to the board reps/investigators but we would have to be able to= BACK IT UP WITH FACTS in any case.  
 
 
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