X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 946756 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:58:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.102; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-189-178.carolina.res.rr.com [24.74.189.178]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4H1vXY5013462 for ; Mon, 16 May 2005 21:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <04bf01c55a83$cbd53390$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Brazing Rods Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 21:57:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04BC_01C55A62.448F1610" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04BC_01C55A62.448F1610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, I'm just not familiar with the 4 port Renesis - but I rather doubt = the bolt or hole pattern is the same as the 13B. Someone on the list = probably knows. Thanks for the info on the price of 100LL there at Lancaster. I intend = to drop back down before too long and will give you a call. Ed ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:49 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brazing Rods Hi Ed, Thanks for getting back on the brazing rods. I too enjoyed our = conversation, reams of useful info for me. I thought your brazed joints = looked great, so I wanted to confirm what you used. Since the intake = system I purchased last August has not materialized and the Vendor = returned my money, it looks like I have to add building an intake to my = list of exhaust/turbo and cooling design and building. I am wondering if you know, if the Renesis with a 4 Port intake = (Auto/Low HP version) has the same pattern as other 4 port engines. I = liked the way your intake looked and I know you have done a lot of = experimenting in this area. I would rather follow in a master's shoes = than perform numerous experiments. =20 Not sure what you are paying for 100LL to the North, the new FBO in = KLKR is $3.45 and very friendly. If you are ever in the area again, = please give me a call. Thanks, Joe=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Ed Anderson=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Brazing Rods Hi Joe, Yes, I recall, enjoyed our chat. You are correct it is the HTS-2000 = website http://newtechnologyproducts.net/order.htm I purchased directly from the vendor using their $65 special for 1 = lb of the stuff. I doubt that they would sell lesser amounts - but I = have not asked. =20 In any case, that is the stuff and I have found it great to use. I = tried at least 3 other aluminum brazing rods and got little more than = puddles of the stuff sizzling around on the metal I was trying to braze = but no joining. No-doubt my lack of technique - but this stuff is much = less critical. I have brazed .048 thick wall 6061T6 to a heavy aluminum = manifold casting with no problem. They tell you to brush with a = stainless steel brush while brazing but I just brush it clean of scale = with the brush initially and braze away(set too many wooden handle = stainless steel brushes on fire while trying to brush while brazing - = must be like chewing bubble gum and walking at the same time {:>)) I initially started out using the MAP gas because of hits higher = heat content, but then found that regular (cheaper) propane would do = just fine provided you had a high BTU torch (for heavy stuff like = castings). You do have to set it for a high BTU flow if you are brazing = anything heavy, but smaller torches work well for lighter stuff. Here's a photo showing the bottom tubes brazed to the aluminum = manifold casting and the upper tubes brazed to the 3/8" thick 6061 = plate. Not too messy. Ed A ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Joe=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Brazing Rods Ed Anderson, When we spoke a couple of weeks ago at KLKR, you mentioned a great = brazing rod for aluminum. Was it New Technology's HTS-2000. If so may = I ask where you bought, direct from the vendor or were you able to find = a smaller quantity than 1 lb.. If this is not the vendor or product may = I ask again what it was. Thanks, Joe -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_04BC_01C55A62.448F1610 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Joe, I'm just not familiar with the 4 port = Renesis -=20 but I rather doubt the bolt or hole pattern is the same as the = 13B. =20 Someone on the list probably knows.
 
Thanks for the info on the price of 100LL there = at=20 Lancaster.  I intend to drop back down before too long and will = give you a=20 call.
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Joe
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 9:49 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Brazing=20 Rods

Hi Ed,
Thanks for getting back on the = brazing=20 rods.  I too enjoyed our conversation, reams of useful info for = me. =20 I thought your brazed joints looked great, so I wanted to confirm what = you=20 used.  Since the intake system I purchased last August has not=20 materialized and the Vendor returned my money, it looks like I have to = add=20 building an intake to my list of exhaust/turbo and cooling design and=20 building.
 
I am wondering if you know, if the = Renesis with a=20 4 Port intake (Auto/Low HP version) has the same pattern as other 4 = port=20 engines.  I liked the way your intake looked and I know you have = done a=20 lot of experimenting in this area.  I would rather follow in a = master's=20 shoes than perform numerous experiments. 
 
Not sure what you are paying for = 100LL to the=20 North, the new FBO in KLKR is $3.45 and very friendly.  If you = are ever=20 in the area again, please give me a call.
 
Thanks,
Joe 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Ed Anderson
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 = 9:28=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Brazing=20 Rods

Hi Joe,
 
Yes, I recall, enjoyed our chat.  You = are correct=20 it is the HTS-2000  website http://newtechnologyp= roducts.net/order.htm
 
I purchased directly from the vendor using = their $65=20 special for 1 lb of the stuff.  I doubt that they would sell = lesser=20 amounts - but I have not asked. 
 
In any case, that is the stuff and I have = found it=20 great to use.  I tried at least 3 other aluminum brazing rods = and got=20 little more than puddles of the stuff sizzling around on the metal I = was=20 trying to braze but no joining.  No-doubt my lack of technique = - but=20 this stuff is much less critical.  I have brazed .048 thick = wall 6061T6=20 to a heavy aluminum manifold casting with no problem.  They = tell you to=20 brush with a stainless steel brush while brazing but I just brush it = clean=20 of scale with the brush initially and braze away(set too many = wooden=20 handle stainless steel brushes on fire while trying to brush while = brazing -=20 must be like chewing bubble gum and walking at the same time=20 {:>))
 
I initially started out using the MAP gas = because of=20 hits higher heat content, but then found that regular (cheaper)=20  propane would do just fine provided you had a high BTU torch = (for=20 heavy stuff like castings).  You do have to set it for a high = BTU flow=20 if you are brazing anything heavy, but smaller torches work well for = lighter=20 stuff.
 
Here's a photo showing the bottom tubes = brazed to the=20 aluminum manifold casting and the upper tubes brazed to the 3/8" = thick 6061=20 plate.  Not too messy.
 
 
Ed A
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Joe=20
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 = 8:40=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Brazing=20 Rods

Ed Anderson,
When we spoke a couple of weeks = ago at KLKR,=20 you mentioned a great brazing rod for aluminum.  Was it New=20 Technology's HTS-2000.  If so may I ask where you bought, = direct from=20 the vendor or were you able to find a smaller quantity than 1 = lb.. =20 If this is not the vendor or product may I ask again what it=20 was.
 
Thanks,
Joe

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