Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #20383
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex Seal Groove Wear and Air Filters was Re: [FlyRotary]...
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 21:55:29 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Thanks Jerry for the information.  Yes, I guess I saw the photos with the hole saw and drew the incorrect conclusion {:>).  I know I need to get this engine back together, but that should be done by the end of this coming weekend provided I get all the parts I need.
 
But, at some point I want to experiment on those housings.  Then if it turns out OK, I happened to have an 87 turbo block sitting in my shop and two sets of good NA rotor housings as well as these turbo housings I won't be using again.  What better to build up a PP engine.  I have my old Ross gear box (true the gears are galled but then I'm not going to fly it) and when I get my prop back from Bernie all I need to do is build a test stand - done that once in Virginia and threw away the test stand as I would never need it again {:<(.
 
Sigh! so many projects and so little time
 
Thanks again
 
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hey
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 8:37 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex Seal Groove Wear and Air Filters was Re: [FlyRotary]...

Hi Ed, I did not use a hole saw. I did find a picture of someone doing it with a hole saw and posted it. Maybe that is what you are thinking of. You could drill the initial hole with a hole saw and then finish off with a boring bar. In my case we (a machinist friend and I ) made the throttle bodies first and then bored the holes to a push fit. It would be a good idea to practice on a junk housing. You will need a heavy angle plate to clamp the housing to. Just use a slow feed. It is so easy confidence grows quickly. Gluing in the inserts is no big deal either. A couple of grooves were cut in the inserts so the epoxy would have a mechanical lock. If you go for the interference fit, you will not have to worry about epoxy leaking through into the housing.

Timing: we set the timing by finding the center line of the housing and then measuring from it to the center of the hole. This is easy to do in the mill with digital read outs. The hole is parallel to a line through the center of the housing and not perpendicular to the housing. I did it this way so that 180 degree sweeps could be used. By the way, you can buy 1.75 o.d./1.625 i.d. steel "combo bends" from the Chassis Shop www.chassishop.com for $16.00. Two of them will do your entire intake. If you want to do aluminum, you are on your own as I never found exactly what I was looking for. Ed Klepeis made the bell mouths and they are perfect. Jerry



On Sunday, April 17, 2005, at 06:22 PM, Ed Anderson wrote:

Hey, Jerry
 
I now have two turbo rotor housings that I feel free to try some PP stuff.  I understand that you cut the hole with a hole saw.  Did you then clean it up with a boring bar or something similar or just ram the aluminum tube down the hole {:>)?  Any prep to the hole other than removing debris before putting the tube in it?  I have your dimensions but will await your reports on results before cutting.
 
Ed A

----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hey
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 6:47 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex Seal Groove Wear and Air Filters was Re: [FlyRotary]...

Thomas, my set up will not produce 250 hp because I have the 2:17 drive. However, I still do have some hp to play with. I could sacrifice 10 hp and still leave the airport vertically. Power Sport claims 215 hp without ram air so I should do somewhat better than that. I will consider your suggestions tomorrow when I have the engine in front of me, but at first glance they look good. Some kind of double plenum will be required, the first one supplied by ram air and housing the air filter and the second plenum feeding the bell mouths. Jerry


 

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