Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.103] (HELO ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c3) with ESMTP id 813380 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:04:10 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=24.25.9.103; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Received: from edward2 (cpe-024-074-185-127.carolina.rr.com [24.74.185.127]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id j2LC3LCi019394 for ; Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:03:22 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003a01c52e0d$fb628ec0$2402a8c0@edward2> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: BMW and EWP Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:03:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C52DE4.124E9360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C52DE4.124E9360 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0037_01C52DE4.124E9360" ------=_NextPart_001_0037_01C52DE4.124E9360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Georges, Not Tracy, but my alternator is underdriven by approx 40%. I have two = Racing beat pulleys each 20% underdriven, one the main pulley on the = eshaft and the other on the alternator. Kelly is looking into a = underdriven pulley for the water pump. Running continuos at above 5000, = even 6000 rpm make me decide to reduce the alternator speed and I would = like to do the same for the water pump especially with engine rpms = approaching 7000 rpm with the 2.85 redrive. I also use the best V belts = I can find (Gates) which I change every two years and they have never = shown any signs of stress such as cracks or grazing. Can not say the = say of some cheaper belts I used in the past, including one which after = 5 flights had the rubber "clogs" falling off the belt. Ed Anderson ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Echo Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: BMW and EWP Hi! Tracy What do you mean "not sure you qualify as a "Gurru". The guys on = the forum "bow to the east" before they mention your name (and make sure = they give credit where credit is due). How much should the alternator & water pump speed should be = reduced?=20 Georges & Gail Boucher 2126 Creighton Valley Road Lumby, British Columbia Canada V0E 2G1 Phone:(250) 547-6434 Fax:: (250-547-2342 www.echolakefishingresort.com www.echolakefishingresort.ca=20 -------Original Message------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft Date: 03/20/05 21:04:30 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: BMW and EWP Don't know if I qualify as a guru but I sort of lean toward Al's = position. I'm not sure there is a problem that needs to be solved. = But we are at a point where no two installations are alike and every = installation has it's own unique requirements. If an EWP or timing belt = solves some particular problem, go for it.=20 I have used dual and single belts without problems for a long = time. Tracy (finally done with travel trailer restoration hell) Hi! for those who don't want to wade into the EWP "fiasco" = & are worried about a double belt system self- destructing, why not use = a single tooth belt system (like timing belt) I used that on my race car = for 6 years & never lost a belt with RPM hitting 9000 regularly. It has = a positive drive with little tension, only needs one gear with cheek = washers to keep the belt on track. If no one comes up with a good reason = against it, I'll start looking for gears.Lets have some feed back from = the "Gurrus" Georges & Gail Boucher 2126 Creighton Valley Road Lumby, British Columbia Canada V0E 2G1 Phone:(250) 547-6434 Fax:: (250-547-2342 www.echolakefishingresort.com www.echolakefishingresort.ca=20 -------Original Message------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft Date: 03/20/05 13:19:17 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: BMW and EWP In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:41:43 PM Pacific Standard = Time, canarder@frontiernet.net writes: The other list is forever making pronouncements about what = will or will not work. Their math is impeccable. The premises they = operate from are not Is it not possible that we are overlooking or = underemphasizing some important factor? That the hybrid (EWP and EDWP) = systems we have online now are distorting the data? Leon's experience = cannot ignore any of the factors. Our estimates can ignore as many as = we want to (or are unaware of). I can't help but think that a little = morel hard data gathered from a purely EWP system will put a lot of the = controversy to rest. A flawless line of reasoning, based on a false premise = leads us right through the lookin' glass . Jim S. Jim, The False Premise comment seems to be spot on. Davies = Craig mentions that the Ferrari 365 ALMS American Le Mans Series winner = were using 2 EWP's in series per the Davies Craig site suggested method. = I have been as skeptical as any about the EWP but is seems to be being = used to great success. I think I will be planning for the use of 2, main = and overtemp. I will really want a good alternator and backup system! Bill Jepson =20 =20 =20 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Hi Georges,
 
Not Tracy, but my = alternator is=20 underdriven by approx 40%.  I have two Racing beat pulleys each 20% = underdriven, one the main pulley on the eshaft and the other on the=20 alternator.  Kelly is looking into a underdriven pulley for the = water=20 pump.  Running continuos at above 5000, even 6000 rpm make me = decide to=20 reduce the alternator speed and I would like to do the same for the = water pump=20 especially with engine rpms approaching 7000 rpm with the 2.85 = redrive.  I=20 also use the best V belts I can find (Gates) which I change every two = years and=20 they have never shown any signs of stress such as cracks or = grazing. =20 Can not say the say of some cheaper belts I used in the past, including = one=20 which after 5 flights had the rubber "clogs" falling off the = belt.
 
 
 
Ed Anderson
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Echo=20 Lake Fishing Resort (Georges Boucher)
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 = 12:31=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: BMW = and=20 EWP

Hi! Tracy
What do you mean "not sure you qualify as a "Gurru". = The guys=20 on the forum "bow to the east" before they mention your name = (and make=20 sure they give credit where credit is due).
 How much should the alternator & water pump speed = should=20 be reduced? 
 
 
Georges & Gail Boucher
2126 Creighton Valley Road
Lumby, British Columbia
Canada  V0E 2G1
Phone:(250) 547-6434
Fax:: (250-547-2342
www.echolakefishingresort.= com
www.echolakefishingresort.c= a 
-------Original=20 Message-------
 
From: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Date: = 03/20/05=20 21:04:30
To: Rotary motors in=20 aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Re: BMW and EWP
 
Don't know if I qualify as a guru but I sort of lean toward = Al's=20 position.  I'm not sure there is a problem that needs to be = solved.   But we are at a point where no two = installations are=20 alike and every installation has it's own unique = requirements.  If=20 an EWP or timing belt solves some particular problem, go for=20 it. 
 
 I have used dual and single belts without problems = for a long=20 time.
 
Tracy  (finally done with travel trailer = restoration=20 hell)
 
 
 
Hi! for those who don't want to wade into the = EWP=20 "fiasco"  & are worried about a double belt = system self-=20 destructing, why not use a single tooth belt system (like = timing=20 belt) I used that on my race car for 6 years & = never lost=20 a belt with RPM hitting 9000 regularly. It has a positive = drive=20 with little tension, only needs one gear with cheek = washers to=20 keep the belt on track. If no one comes up with a good = reason=20 against it, I'll start looking for gears.Lets have some = feed back=20 from the "Gurrus"
 
Georges & Gail Boucher
2126 Creighton Valley Road
Lumby, British Columbia
Canada  V0E 2G1
Phone:(250) 547-6434
Fax:: (250-547-2342
-------Original=20 Message-------
 
From: Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft
Date: 03/20/05=20 13:19:17
To: = Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: BMW and EWP
 
In a message dated 3/20/2005 12:41:43 PM Pacific = Standard=20 Time, canarder@frontiernet.net writes:
The other list is forever making = pronouncements about=20 what will or will not work.  Their math is=20 impeccable.  The premises they operate from = are=20 not  Is it not possible that we are = overlooking or=20 underemphasizing some important factor?  That the = hybrid (EWP=20 and EDWP) systems we have online now are distorting = the=20 data?  Leon's experience cannot ignore any of the=20 factors.  Our estimates can ignore as many as we want = to (or=20 are unaware of).  I can't help but think that a = little morel=20 hard data gathered from a purely EWP system will put a lot = of the=20 controversy to rest.

A flawless line of = reasoning,=20 based on a false premise leads us right through = the=20 lookin' glass .
Jim S.
Jim, The False Premise comment seems to be spot on. = Davies=20 Craig mentions that the Ferrari 365 ALMS American Le Mans = Series=20 winner were using 2 EWP's in series per the = Davies Craig=20 site suggested method. I have been as skeptical as any = about the=20 EWP but is seems to be being used to great success. I = think I will=20 be planning for the use of 2, main and overtemp. I will = really=20 want a good alternator and backup system!
Bill Jepson
 
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