Return-Path: Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c2) with ESMTP id 768828 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:04:04 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.102.122.149; envelope-from=echristl@cisco.com Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (64.102.124.12) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Mar 2005 14:03:20 -0500 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from [172.18.179.180] (echristl-linux.cisco.com [172.18.179.180]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j23J3I1j003690 for ; Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:03:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <42275F76.7090807@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:03:18 -0500 From: Ernest Christley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EWP Test Results/DRAG References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit kenpowell@comcast.net wrote: > I think Al and Bill have been trying to say this politely but .... > We all agree that the EWP flows less than the standard pump by alot > (maybe only half to 1/3th as much?). I don't know that I agree with you there, Ken. If the EWP works through the same flowpath as the EDWP, I think your statement is accurate, but the EWP's form factor allows for some ingenuity in creating a less restrictive flowpath. The numbers I've found quoted for actual back-to-back dyno runs comparing the EWP to stock pumps show benefits from 4 to 9 Hp. (a Google search 'meziere pump performance chart' will show several) These numbers are not for 13B engines, and probably have a lot of 'marketing' in them ('cause we all know magazine reviews are objective. Right?), but I'd still consider the ~3Hp gain conservative. Most importantly, Bob's numbers were raw data and not corrected for actual conditions. The realworld conditions will be much more favorable than his test. If I may be so bold as to shamelessly rip some information from different places without giving due credit: Poiseuille's Law of The *Flow* of Liquids Through a Tube: Where: l = the length of the tube in cm r = the radius of the tube in cm p = the difference in pressure of the two ends of the tube in dynes per cm^2 c = the coefficient of *Viscosity* in poises (dyne-seconds per cm^2 ) v = volume in cm^3 per second Then: v = pir ^4 p/8cl *Viscosity of Water as a Function of Temperature* Temperature /°C Viscosity /cP 20 1.002 40 0.653 60 0.467 80 0.355 100 0.282 Pump A Only: 14.0 V 8.4 A 6 GPM 56 F 56F => 14C 180F => 82C My reasoning: All other factor being equal, cutting the viscosity to 1/3 will triple the flow. If the WP136 flows 6GPM at 56F, it can be expected to flow 18GPM at 180F, closer to 20GPM at 190F. Ernest (also a true believer, but so were all those people at Jonestown)