Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #1700
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Sender: Marvin Kaye <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Tuned induction
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:51:55 -0400
To: <flyrotary>
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 7:13 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Tuned induction

Further to my recent response to Tracy’s posting, I wanted to clarify that I was not disagreeing that there benefits to be gained from tuned induction. Clearly there are.    SNIP

 

So, I don’t know.  We need some data.  Tracy is guessing that his engine puts out 180hp. Could be; but I’m guessing we don’t know what it is, and it could just as likely be 165.

 

Al

 

Al, I don't know much about induction systems and they appear to be as much "Magic" as science.  However, there is little question that Tracy's engine puts out closer to 180 HP than 165.  While its not been on a dyno, he has flow with 180HP O360 RVs and bested them.  In fact, during the Sun & Fun 100 airrace, he not only beat all 0320 (supposedly 165HP) entries in his class but also  half of the entries in the 180HP class.  Also, fuel flow is a fair indicator of HP being produce and he and I have both seen 19-20 gph fuel flow (on cold dense air mornings).  But utimately, I think its the performance of his RV-4 which is not a particularly aerodynamically clean airframe (compared to some), with a top speed of over 214 MPH and his average of 209 MPH over the Sun & Fun race 100 mile course  from a standing start with a fixed pitch prop (and a draggy muffler hanging in the slip stream)  that clearly gives you a strong indication that he is producing at least 180 HP.

 

Not Proof?, nope, don't claim it is, but the preponderance of data strongly indicates Tracy's engine is producing at least 180HP.  My own personal  story is that when I had a Weber throttle body with two 2" dia throats with a relative short length induction (about 1/2 my current length), my static rpm was 5000 rpm, my top speed was 182 MPH TAS and rate of climb was around 900 fpm.  When I created an intake using smaller (1 5/8 and 1 3/8" dia tubes) of the length that theoretically are tuned to provide the "dynamic charging effect" at 5900 rpm, my static went up to 5300 rpm, my ROC went up to 1200 fpm and my top speed to 196 MPH TAS.   So while I can't prove that my current induction system is better "tuned" to my operating regime and rpm - I sure like the improved results much better.

 

 Too bad we don't have a wealthy member of the list who would fund a little R&D with dyno time and different induction system approaches on the rotary engines.  But, as you know that takes time and money and both are limited for most - if not all of us.

 

Ed Anderson

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