Return-Path: Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c1) with ESMTP id 722847 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 09 Feb 2005 18:39:10 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.133.131.37; envelope-from=canarder@frontiernet.net Received: from filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2C3107D6 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.37]) by filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.131.177]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 20765-19-73 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (67-137-75-55.dsl2.cok.tn.frontiernet.net [67.137.75.55]) by relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A193F106E4 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <420A9EFB.6080603@frontiernet.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:38:35 -0600 From: Jim Sower User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040514 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Heating the Fuel References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0506-0, 02/08/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter02.roc.ny.frontiernet.net <... For a 10 degree rise in gasoline temperature you would get a 630/12000 = 0.0525 deg F drop in coolant temperature ...> OTOH, you'd soon heat your fuel to very near the coolant temp and have the mother of all vapor locks. If that's what you're looking for ... Jim S. William wrote: > Dave, > If you burn 10 g/hr, and are returning 15 g/hr to the tanks, that is > 15*6 = 90 #/hr of gasoline, with a specific heat of ~.7Btu/#, that > means you can transfer 90* 0.7 = 63 Btu/hr/degF rise in gasoline > temperature. Your coolant flow is probably about 25 gallons/minute, = > 25*60 = 1500 gallons/hour = ~1500*8 = 12000 #/hour. For a 10 degree > rise in gasoline temperature you would get a 630/12000 = 0.0525 deg F > drop in coolant temperature. Doesn't seem worth it. > > * note: I used rounded figures for densities and flow rates and heat > capacities. The fact remains that the flow mismatch makes this not do > much. > Bill Schertz > KIS Cruiser # 4045 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* DaveLeonard > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:46 PM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Heating the Fuel > > In anticipation of the new turbo, I am considering ways to improve > coolant cooling. Besides the obvious more air, more ducting, more > radiator; I have been again toying with the idea of a heat > exchanger. This time coolant to fuel. The plan would be to use a > typical oil/water exchanger but use fuel instead of oil. I would > use the fuel on the way back to the tank, and the coolant after it > has already been cooled by the radiator. The fuel would then go > back to the nice metal tank of the RV. > > I am looking for input on the implications of heating the fuel. I > expect it would reach max temps of about 190 (usually a > little cooler) but quickly cool once in the tank. Can the fuel > tolerate that temp without vaporizing? It will probably expand in > the tank but I don't expect that will occur faster than it is used > up. I have no guess as to what temp will become steady state for > the fuel pumped out of the tank. My guess is that it will not be > much warmer than normal, but a slight increase in temp may help > with vaporization. > > The last question is how much will it cool the coolant. My hope > is about 10 deg but I doubt it will be quite that much. I know > others have considered using the fuel to cool (Tracy) and I would > appreciate your thoughts. > > Dave Leonard >