Return-Path: Received: from [216.52.245.18] (HELO ispwestemail2.mdeinc.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP id 608703 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 21:46:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.52.245.18; envelope-from=wschertz@ispwest.com Received: from 7n7z201 (unverified [67.136.146.2]) by ispwestemail2.mdeinc.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.340.3) with SMTP id for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2005 18:46:03 -0800 Message-ID: <00bd01c4fb75$804c3580$02928843@7n7z201> From: "William" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Welcome to the Club was Re: [FlyRotary] Nomore ACRE (for me) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 19:29:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Hi guys, If you can arrange true *counter flow* you can get the exit air hotter than the exit water. My understanding of Todds setup is that it is similiar to mine -- two evaporator cores, in cross flow arrangement. With that arrangement, it is *highly unlikely* to get the exit air hotter than the exit water, integrated over the surface of the exchanger. Heat has to flow downhill. If you use the charts that I had in my article, you can do your own calculations. I used Todd's numbers because he actually measured the flow in the plane cooling loop. My results indicate that it works okay in cool flying conditions, but might be marginal in hot conditions with high power. Bill Schertz KIS Cruiser # 4045 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Christley" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:58 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Welcome to the Club was Re: [FlyRotary] Nomore ACRE (for me) > On Fri, 2005-01-14 at 13:22, Bob White wrote: >> Here is a link to the analysis Bill Schertz did on Todd Bartram's >> cooling system: http://www.acre-media.org/schertz/EWP_analysis.html >> Bill's analysis would indicate that Todd's system was marginally >> adequate given the assumptions used. Some were overly conservative, and >> Todd has reported better results than would be expected from the >> analysis. > > Is the 'first approximation', that the cooling air will never get hotter > than the exiting water, a good one? > > It would seem to me that if you arranged a multipass radiator such that > it entered in the rear and left at the front, the exiting air would be > closer to the temperature of the radiator's hot side. > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive: http://lancaironline.net/lists/flyrotary/List.html