Return-Path: Received: from [192.55.52.30] (HELO fmsfmr003.fm.intel.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.1) with ESMTP id 412333 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:05:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=192.55.52.30; envelope-from=randy.smith@intel.com Received: from petasus.fm.intel.com (petasus.fm.intel.com [10.1.192.37]) by fmsfmr003.fm.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.15 2004/01/30 18:16:28 root Exp $) with ESMTP id i8FJ6T1L023478 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:06:29 GMT Received: from fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com [132.233.42.129]) by petasus.fm.intel.com (8.12.9-20030918-01/8.12.9/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.11 2004/07/29 22:51:53 root Exp $) with SMTP id i8FJ61ra000834 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:06:02 GMT Received: from fmsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com ([132.233.42.156]) by fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2004091512051919996 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:05:19 -0700 Received: from fmsmsx404.amr.corp.intel.com ([132.233.42.208]) by fmsmsx331.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:05:19 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Experimental Twin (was Limp home, etc...) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: Experimental Twin (was Limp home, etc...) Thread-Index: AcSbMyr4gxbap/ljQ2aC1D8XlQN2nQAIUwWA From: "Smith, Randy" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2004 19:05:19.0852 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1BEC2C0:01C49B56] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) My rejection of the Defiant is based on 1. The lack of builder support. This is a perception on my part as I have "only heard" that RAF no longer supports one-off plans builders. 2. Too expensive to operate when compared to the Mk-IV. (including fuel and insurance) 3. It doesn't fit my mission profile. By that I mean that I will occasionally fly long distances over water and will therefore occasionally need the supposed "ultimate" reliability. The rest of the time, that extra engine is just extra weight making airplane noises. 4. I just don't like it, and I don't want to build one. Not gonna make me, either! :-) How's that for being "defiant?" But still I think you are missing my point. I never set out to find the "ultimate reliability" in the first place. I only wanted to see if I could improve the reliability of the airplane that I was going to build. The answer to that question still may be no. And that's ok. That will lead to some level setting of my expectations as a result. And I do appreciate the locater service that Jesse provided and I'm sure it will be a good fit for someone. -Randy >-----Original Message----- >From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill >Dube >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 10:49 AM >To: Rotary motors in aircraft >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Experimental Twin (was Limp home, etc...) > > >> >> >>I really am not interested in building a defiant though. The MkIV will >>be sufficient. > > Interesting. A couple of days ago, you were all gung ho about >ultimate reliability. You then reject the suggestion of a home-built twin >because it would be beyond your budget and "they don't exist." Next, Jesse >finds a partially-built Defiant (with a pair of rotary engines) that is >bargain priced. This meets your stated requirements EXACTLY. Especially on >a tight budget. > If my goal was to build an airplane to fly long distances over the >ocean, this is, without a doubt, the ideal airplane. I would jump all over >this. It is likely that, given the head start, this airplane would be >faster and much cheaper to build than the Cozy you are clinging to (but >have not actually started.) > > What gives?