Return-Path: Received: from wind.imbris.com ([216.18.130.7]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-70783U4500L450S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:26:34 -0500 Received: from regandesigns.com (cda131-85.imbris.com [216.18.131.85]) by wind.imbris.com (8.11.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1CIZ5027320 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:35:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3A8810A6.B7C14A2B@regandesigns.com> Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 10:34:46 -0600 From: Brent Regan To: Lancair List Subject: Much ado about little (Nylaflow) X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Nylaflow brake lines work. There are hundreds of experimental aircraft flying that use it. The fact that it offends my engineering sensibilities has been thoroughly stated. I replaced the Nylaflow in my airplane because I wanted something I wouldn't worry about. Maybe I just worry too much. If you aren't going to worry about the Nylaflow failing then you probably don't need to replace it. Rob writes: <> My point was that utilizing Nylaflow tubing in an aircraft brake system will likely preclude it from being "certifiable". Since the brakes do not effect flight performance and are critical to the safe termination of a flight, looking to the FARs for guidance is not a bad idea. The FARs in general, and part 23 specifically, contain a wealth of information that is obviously the result of other peoples bad experiences. Unfortunately, part 23 is mute on brake hoses but if you read through part 23 and then pick up a length of Nylaflow and ask yourself "should I use this in the brake system of my airplane" you will likely say no, as I did. I do not believe that using materials and practices that comply with FAA standards is such a bad idea, as doing so generally enhances safety. Performance does not necessarily have to be compromised for safety. Using a brake line with a strength member won't take 150 knots off of your top speed (unless you use it to tie the tail to a tree). It would seem that most of work associated with FAA certification is dealing with the bureaucrats that interpret the standards and guidelines and not the standards and guidelines themselves. We shouldn't let our disdain of government bureaucratic process cause us to ignore the standards and guidelines that that have evolved to help build safer airplanes. Millions of man hours and many lives have gone before us. We should at least listen. IMHO using Nylaflow around the petals, even for low pressure, is a bad idea (like you didn't already know). The presence of dirt (shoes), the probability of a snag (more shoes), lots of flexing (brakes and rudder), heat from the cabin heater and heat from current carrying wires that may be bundled with the brake line, all spell failure. This is just my opinion, worth every penny you paid for it. Regarding hard-line, other than at the petals (obviously) here is no reason why fixed gear aircraft can't use it all the way out to the caliper. Taking another idea from the automotive designers, flexibility can be added to the line by making 1 or more 360 degree helical loops. The tube becomes a spring that can flex in all directions. Again, my opinion, but it works for me. Regards Brent Regan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>