Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:24:02 -0700
From: victor delta <vdelta@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Ceramic Coatings (again)
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Marv (and Jim by extension)
Well here's one voice from far back in the bleacher's that happens to think your
rather heavy handed approach to censorship and self serving attitudes are
somewhat misplaced and more than misguided.  I dare say that if a poll were taken
there would be quite a few others that are more than interested in hearing the
(an) outcome of this rather important subject........especially in light of the
concerns that have been raised about potential fuels availability and the ongoing
(never ending!) questions that are raised about the optimum maintenance and
operating techniques of the current slew of reciprocating piston engines.  Which
by the way, unless I have really missed the mark here, is exactly what all (and
herein I do mean ALL) of us use to power our little pride and joys!
It is precisely for this reason that this "argument" (a very poor choice of terms
in my opinion) should be aired to (some) conclusion.  After all what is this
forum all about but to inform the rest of the community (US !!!!) about those
subjects near and dear to them?
That Mr. Scales chooses to characterize that "No one else understands what you
are saying, anyway." is a disservice to Mr. Scales and the intelligence of all of
the rest of this forum's membership..  Even without too much technical knowledge
it is quite apparent to every lay person on this forum that the crux of the issue
is the veracity and provability/substantiation of a
chemical-mechanical/engineering preposition that could (potentially) be of great
significance to all users of internal combustion reciprocating
powerplants.............again I point out to you that this is what you and I use
OR are planning to use for our aircraft in most cases.  Simply put IT IS
IMPORTANT TO US ALL and the possible benefits (in more than just operating
efficiencies and costs) are significant......................certainly if we are
to believe one of the proponents..
BTW Marv, the Mazda powerplant (because of its tendencies for higher
temperatures) is/should be a perfect example where this technology (if proven to
do what is claimed) would greatly enhance alternative powerplant viability for
aircraft installation..........and I would put to you stimulate the current major
manufacturers into greater action in their newer developments endeavors than the
market is currently capable of doing.  All of this is, could be, only good for
the experimental aviation community at large.
That you (both) would choose to stifle such a discussion in an open forum is
(just!) unbelievable.
"Posturing and ego blasting" is certainly not constructive to the discussion and
resolution of the issues, however I put it to all of you, who is not inclined to
act in this manner when they talk about topics that they feel strongly about ?
Ladies and gentlemen, this is aviation..........and we are all quite excited
about it (rightfully so), otherwise we wouldn't be here but rather on Martha
Stewart's forum arguing optimum/correct dinner place settings and whether the
eating utensil usage order is still valid and proper in this day and age.
I am quite confident that all of the participants on this forum are quite capable
of discerning the wheat from the chaff for themselves.  They wouldn't be engaged
in the endeavors that brought them to this forum, if they couldn't see the forest
from the trees.  The men and women quietly listening to the goings on can make up
their own minds.  Please, let's be realistic here and let them do just that.
Marv, your oversight of the forum is greatly appreciated.  However there was a
specific reason that the Internet community chose to use the word moderator for
the function you perform and specifically not censor.
The end result desired herein could have been accomplished in a much better
fashion without compromising the information needed by us all.
To be sure this is but one opinion.  If I am alone, so be it.  I've been at the
controls in 200 & 1/2 searching for the rabbit in less than desirable
meteorological conditions before, I'll wear this one gladly.
If Marv should allow this to be posted, I encourage others to speak up and voice
an opinion.  It is important to us all to know that you are out there.
I return to the solitude and quietness of the back of the bleachers..........or
the cockpit on approach at night on those winter days where ninety seconds seems
like an eternity, under the right conditions.
Regards,
VD


[Ok, here's what's going to happen... I have setup another mail list
with a completely different email address, that being "ceramics@olsusa.com".
Anyone who wants to participate in further discussions about ceramic engine
coatings is welcome to subscribe to this list and take up the discussion
over there.  As you all know, if you get more than 3 people in a room and
try to make all of them happy all of the time you are doomed to failure.
Since we have over 500 people in *this* "room", it is obvious to me 
that there is no way in hell I'd ever be able to make everyone happy
regarding this particular subject.  Consequently I've decided that this
other approach should pretty much appease everyone involved here on the 
Lancair Mail List by giving you the ability to either opt into or out of
those discussions as you see fit.  

This new list is going to be unmoderated, as I simply do not have the
time to approve or reject the postings that will be coming to it.  That
job on the LML is already quite time consuming and so the Ceramics list
will be pretty much on autopilot.  The only delivery mode will be 
immediate, which means there will be no daily digest for that list.
The only restriction that I have imposed upon it is that anyone who wants
to post to the Ceramics Mail List must be a subscriber.  I will attempt to 
send individual emails to anyone who has participated in these discussions
on the LML who weren't subscribers to insure that they understand that
they now have a forum for them to air their views.

If you want to participate in these discussions please subscribe to
the list at http://olsusa.com:100/guest/RemoteListSummary/ceramics.
Subscriptions will be accepted immediately, but please wait to post anything
to the list until I send out a message letting everyone know that the 
area is officially open.  If it happens that we get an overwhelming
response to this new forum by having more than 1/2 of the subscribers
to the LML subscribing, I will consider that a vote in favor of allowing
the discussions to continue on the LML and we'll move everything back
here at that time.

I hope this meets with everyone's approval, as I simply don't have 
any other way to ascertain what the majority opinion is.  Here's your
chance to practice up for Nov 7... a subscription to the Ceramics list
is a vote to keep the discussions on the LML.  The majority will rule.
Can you tell I'm a Libertarian?

   <Marv>  

PS... victor delta, I'd sure feel a lot better about corresponding with
you if you were a real person with a real name.  If your name is really
Victor Delta I apologize. ]


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