X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 07:58:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm9-vm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 6840894 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:01:41 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.102; envelope-from=flycassutts@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.101.129] by nm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2014 17:01:05 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.245] by tm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2014 17:01:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Apr 2014 17:01:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 566053.57607.bm@omp1059.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 81405 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2014 17:01:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=E11qfRviItWJ7ZJ4+nWygdsdoM4sHIGalH1DFLyAxMiynwQ+y3B1MkllTMAgD5MHrHLoZ+2LTAwDXtOrTL3LKXalOYrbvMct5quW8RLiV7DtpOPMTLWHkqyTkUlgHnvrMZGI19+3x/b4L434Rw9ita32DA2Z6HxZUlDOkZ6A2to=; X-YMail-OSG: S627sK4VM1lQ3dxSHBjZq58MemGM0GQTJuaMMLtONuMvtSq 1BjAQg4opb0WCRjtuF3D7GxhTFM6WvWN2IoNRPDrv0_wC7L7JYSncHGT_fuc oq3XrNFJQ2hkm_FFaE2vozQmLKE4WavwWETe6U.c_o2QzEa7ZATETCmhEre1 _Mxovb_XCLWMgaazMKOrtWMpuqIuK2FrYCtNN5x_YYCr8viCu5r2iOaIOoAE Vnhan3ijbRdSMVMdk6sGP7F5R55yfNkGhdjl71GgxMLPEDZhohVlLeqBGua2 Ek17myAWCZnbVVckIMRRHy.fDQZ5Q1pXDI5LUd71B4j95MDFsz6XYf8x.OWP 1Vxe5CBEBDAvApN_A0ZJxOfA0uaoi.Zz9ATawpi1FCebulmBxfgbKsebwr9f PR_eihp60PvFEpmUsT6SGTkvb4TwdDxjx16eSxZW4yRxrzl3PwWieBb3plnz kC_eTgYcuC7oslV51zvccTCZN._APRBLEFh3IXYFRpWtAGD9Glw1HRQLCa9l YKte4sAHJOcaDd1nlMc4I7QAXijQq.psFNn5h9t5vDkseAm_8i4YKu3h8TT7 hgNMd0qfMtDtAnZPG7CFIol0FtX_q37jvOA_TbDU7Kd1B6qx2wTwALFKWun0 AnEFODcurQ3IaeWSbvLe8O9YcDOtYWYO8RsdE3gNzjBjV Received: from [174.29.117.14] by web122402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:01:05 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001,VmFsaW4sPGJyLz48YnIvPkkgaGF2ZSBhIE1jQ2F1bGV5IHByb3AgZ292ZXJub3Igb24gbXkgSU8tNTUwIHdpdGggSGFydHplbGwgcHJvcCwgYnV0IGNhbm5vdCBhbnN3ZXIgeW91ciBxdWVzdGlvbiBhYm91dCBpdCBhbmQgYW4gZW5naW5lIG91dCBzaXR1YXRpb24uICBHdWVzcyBpdHMgdGltZSB0byBmaW5kIG91dCE8YnIvPjxici8.QXJ0PGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cHM6Ly9vdmVydmlldy5tYWlsLnlhaG9vLmNvbT8uc3JjPWlPUyI.PGJyLz48YnIvPlNlbnQgZnJvbSBZYWhvbyBNYWlsIGZvciBpUGFkPC9hPgEwAQEBAQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailIosMobile/2.42 YahooMailWebService/0.8.185.657 X-Original-Message-ID: <1398099665.47262.YahooMailIosMobile@web122402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:01:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Art Jensen Reply-To: flycassutts@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Hartzell Prop Governor Low RPM Capability X-Original-To: "lml@lancaironline.net" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1494295045-757042212-1398099665=:47262" --1494295045-757042212-1398099665=:47262 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Valin,

I have a McCauley prop governor on my IO-550 with Hartzell prop, but cannot answer your question about it and an engine out situation. Guess its time to find out!

Art

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Valin,

I have a McCauley prop governor on my IO-550 with Hartzell prop, but cannot answer your question about it and an engine out situation. Guess its time to find out!

Art

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From: Thorn, Valin B. (JSC-VA411) <valin.b.thorn@nasa.gov>;
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>;
Subject: [LML] Re: Hartzell Prop Governor Low RPM Capability
Sent: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 3:43:52 PM

For Legacy flyers, what rate of descent do you see in engine out scenarios, at best glide speed (120 KIAS), in a clean configuration, with your prop pulled all the way back for minimum drag? 

 

Particularly curious for those with feathering props, what descent rate do you have in this configuration with your prop feathered?

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

 

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Valin & Allyson Thorn
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:06 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Hartzell Prop Governor Low RPM Capability

 

I was surprised to learn recently that the Hartzell propeller governor (S Series) cannot adjust the blade pitch with an engine speed below about 1800 rpm.  Seems like that could be a problem in an engine out glide scenario, where the prop stays at flat pitch, high drag.

 

I talked to a guy at Hartzell Technical Support and he confirmed that’s how their S series governors work.  He said it’s not a problem and that they are on all the Cirrus airplanes.  But, with the Cirrus’ single lever control linkage, I don’t think Cirrus pilots can adjust the blade pitch in an engine out scenario anyway.

 

For the Legacy flyers out there flying with the Hartzell governor, when you’re at best glide speed of 120 KIAS, are you able to get enough engine rpm to get maximum blade pitch (low drag) or not…?

 

Thanks,

 

Valin Thorn

Legacy Project

Boulder, Colorado USA

 

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