Posted for "Adam Molny" <Adam@ValidationPartners.com>:

> Doug -
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>Forget about the device for a minute and think in operational terms - at
> what airspeed do you want your AOA indicator to start screaming it's final
> "angle, angle push" warning? For unaccelerated flight in the Legacy that
> might be 80kts (or whatever you prefer). In practical terms, if you set the
> minimum safe speed value too high you'll get tons of nuisance warnings.
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>
> -Adam Molny
>

[Don't forget that you can stall an airplane at almost any airspeed, but the critical angle of attack at which the wing stalls will always be the same. While 80-90 knots might be a "safe" airspeed flying straight & level & lightly loaded, if you increase the wing loading with a 60 degree bank (or simply load up with full tanks & baggage), your 80-90 knots might just not be so safe anymore. If you go to http://www.advanced-flight-systems.com/Support/AOAsupport/AOA%20Manual%20rev4.pdf and scroll down to page 17 (The "How it works" chapter) you'll have a better understanding of the "gotchas" that conventional flight training has always danced around concerning AOA. Just my $0.02. <marv> ]

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>
>From: Douglas Brunner [mailto:douglasbrunner@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:35 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: RE: [LML] Re: FW: Adding an AOA
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> Terrence,
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> There is no "angle" to mark.  Both instruments use an array of colored
> lights -  in both, the top colored light is a red arrow pointing down -
> presumably this is to indicate a stall.
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> The way that both are made to be used is to define a safe speed (roughly 1.3
> Vso) that can be used during landing (and other maneuvers)
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> My question was whether to set it to 1.3 Vso or to do the maneuver described
> in the setup.
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>
> D. Brunner
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>From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> Terrence O'Neill
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 2:18 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] Re: FW: Adding an AOA
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> D.,
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> IMHO the prime purpose of an AOA is:
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> To make the wing's STALL  ANGLE visible to the pilot.  You do that by flying
> the plane and stalling it as you watch the AOA... then mark that angle.
>
> The next most useful AOA info is the best L/D or best R/C... done the same
> way... fly the plane while watching the best R/C for a given power setting,
> and make that angle.
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>
> Terrence
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> L235/320
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> N211AL
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>
> On Mar 30, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Douglas Brunner wrote:
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> I am thinking of adding an AOA to my plane.  The two models that I am
> looking at are the Bendix King KLR 10
> (http://www.bendixking.com/Products/Flight-Controls-Indicators/Indicators/KL
> R-10) and one of the Alpha Systems units (http://www.alphasystemsaoa.com/)
>
> My question has to do with the calibration.  Both systems require a
> calibration at 3 points:
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> 1.      On Ground
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> 2.      Optimum Alpha Angle
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> 3.      Cruise
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> The "on ground" and "cruise" are self explanatory, however the definition of
> "Optimum Alpha Angle" seems a little "loosey-goosey" to me.  Here are the
> definitions:
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>
> Alpha Systems "Optimum Alpha Angle"
>
> *         Able to hold altitude - as close to 0 VSI as possible, zero sink
>
> *         Full aileron, elevator and rudder control - no buffet or loss of
> control surface stability
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>
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> Bendix King "Optimum Alpha Angle"
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> *         Able to hold altitude, 0 Vertical Speed, zero sink (5 to 10 fpm
> climb OK)
>
> *         Full aileron, elevator and rudder control, not in a buffet, pilot
> to identify the set point by
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> pitching back slowly to a pitch no longer able to climb but able to hold
> altitude with full
>
> control of the airplane.
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>First of all, since this is a system meant to be used in landing (or at
> least that is how I will mostly use it), I intend to calibrate the "Optimum
> Alpha Angle" in landing configuration (gear down, full flaps).  However,
> determining when I have "full aileron, elevator and rudder control" isn't
> all that clear to me.  I am sure that I can tell when I have aileron,
> elevator and rudder control - but the "full" part is less clear.  Does that
> mean a full control deflection?  Not something I am anxious to try that
> close to stall.
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>
> Alternatively, I could just do a stall in landing configuration and set the
> "Optimum Alpha Angle" to 1.3 x stall.
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>
>
> Advice?
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>
>
> D. Brunner
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> N241DB 750 hours
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