X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 07:21:39 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f171.google.com ([209.85.216.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.8) with ESMTPS id 6758222 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 16:40:52 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.171; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by mail-qc0-f171.google.com with SMTP id x13so3255649qcv.16 for ; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 13:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.140.17.79 with SMTP id 73mr25762075qgc.44.1393882817201; Mon, 03 Mar 2014 13:40:17 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.2.15] (bas1-stjean93-2925320459.dsl.bell.ca. [174.92.217.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id b14sm42397025qac.17.2014.03.03.13.40.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 03 Mar 2014 13:40:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: [LML] Canopy Latch modeling From: Paul Miller In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2014 16:40:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Steve: You said it: it is simply "assumptions" on our part. When = someone with hard facts can teach me what changes when the canopy opens = then I'll have some confidence in what the issue is. The solution seems = clear--keep it closed. The physics of what happens is intriguing and = not related to the issue of designing a better system or secondary latch = so nobody needs the model, it is just good practice to try understand = what kills people without causing further harm or damage. I'd like to = understand why this problem occurs even if I don't retrofit the safety = latch. The stories and accidents don't provide a solid answer. I'd = just like to know how an airplane with wings and operating engine can = "stall" and lead to "loss of control" as you stated just because the = canopy opens. Lots of ideas, short on facts as a group on this issue. Let me ask these questions to the group, speculation is permitted since = we have no data: a) is the canopy generating lift when closed? If so, does that lift = decrease or increase when unlatched? b) Does the CG of the aircraft change between open and closed canopy in = flight? c) Does drag increase between open and closed in flight? d) What does a pilot do when all that noise and flying paper occurs? = Full throttle, decrease power? Paul=