X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6417697 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:44:38 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.122; envelope-from=Wolfgang@MiCom.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KJ7Y/S5o c=1 sm=0 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:17 a=3Zlka_XeuxsA:10 a=O_DUg6Ln7EYA:10 a=ttCsPuSJ-FAA:10 a=rTjvlri0AAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=PirjuTcMq4IA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=FgnJh_GmE5d5zdHlMu4A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=hQrr4Eah-txLrnj4sgkA:9 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=lmgcfZILveYDOgBI:21 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 74.218.201.50 Received: from [74.218.201.50] ([74.218.201.50:1515] helo=lobo) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 93/27-02415-3B79B025; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:44:03 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <77B2D1DEC6FA47D5A173A2214642D6C7@lobo> From: "Wolfgang" X-Original-To: References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? X-Original-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 10:44:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CE98DB.310C9110" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CE98DB.310C9110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I fly the LS-3, I can become a brick any time I want (spoilers), or = anything in between. It wouldn't hurt for all pilots to have 10-20 hours in gliders. The point is piloting should be second nature. If you have to stop and think about it, you're too slow and likely = behind the airplane. . . . and if you're behind the airplane, you're an accident looking for = a place to happen. Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bill Harrelson=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? Hi Bill, When I introduce a pilot to the Lancair 320/360, I explain that they = need to check out in two completely different airplanes...dirty and = clean. I have measured the glide ratio of our 320 with power off, clean = and the prop full aft at better than 20:1. That=E2=80=99s hardly a = brick, more like a Schweizer 2-33 glider. At the other end of the = spectrum is the same plane dirty. Now you have the proverbial brick.=20 I regularly practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. = Get training from a LOBO or HPAT instructor and you=E2=80=99ll gain a = great deal of confidence in handling these planes power off. It CAN be = done safely and consistently. One skill that you=E2=80=99ll need to = acquire is knowing when to convert from glider to brick. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs N6ZQ IV 350 hrs From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:25 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? That seems a scenario where you would be in better shape with the = flaps up. You very well might make the runway. With flaps down, you = likely would not and it would be very dangerous to try and retract them. = With the high wing loading that all the Lancairs have, they are flying = bricks with no power. I think almost nobody makes the approach to land = with no power. Remember way back in primary training when the instructor had you = remove power abeam the numbers and make the landing without having to = add power? Does anyone practice that maneuver with their Lancair? =20 Bill B ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CE98DB.310C9110 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
When I fly the LS-3, I can become a = brick any time=20 I want (spoilers), or anything in between.
It wouldn't hurt for all pilots to = have 10-20=20 hours in gliders.
The point is piloting should be second=20 nature.
If = you have to stop=20 and think about it, you're too slow and likely behind the = airplane.
. . . and if you're behind the = airplane, you're an=20 accident looking for a place to happen.
 
Wolfgang
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Bill = Harrelson=20
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 = 10:37=20 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on = take-off?

Hi Bill,
 
When I introduce a pilot to the = Lancair=20 320/360, I explain that they need to check out in two completely = different=20 airplanes...dirty and clean. I have measured the glide ratio of our = 320 with=20 power off, clean and the prop full aft at better than 20:1. = That=E2=80=99s hardly a=20 brick, more like a Schweizer = 2-33 glider.=20 At the other end of the spectrum is the same plane dirty. Now you have = the=20 proverbial brick.
 
I=20 regularly practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. = Get=20 training from a LOBO or HPAT instructor and you=E2=80=99ll gain a = great deal of=20 confidence in handling these planes power off. It CAN be done safely = and=20 consistently.  One skill that you=E2=80=99ll need to acquire is = knowing when to=20 convert from glider to brick.
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,150 = hrs
N6ZQ  IV  350 = hrs
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:25 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?
 

That seems = a scenario=20 where you would be in better shape with the flaps up.  You very = well=20 might make the runway.  With flaps down, you likely would not and = it=20 would be very dangerous to try and retract them.  With the high = wing=20 loading that all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks with no=20 power.  I think almost nobody makes the approach to land with no=20 power.

Remember = way back in=20 primary training when the instructor had you remove power abeam the = numbers=20 and make the landing without having to add power?  Does anyone = practice=20 that maneuver with their Lancair?

 

Bill=20 = B

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