X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:39:02 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from slow1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.86] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6416471 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:37:11 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=217.70.178.86; envelope-from=Tim@MyRV10.com Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) by slow1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A36147ADA2 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:36:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mfilter19-d.gandi.net (mfilter19-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.147]) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CCBBA80B1 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:36:20 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter19-d.gandi.net Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]) by mfilter19-d.gandi.net (mfilter19-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uk0oYHPBPw2h for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:36:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Originating-IP: 74.115.8.165 Received: from [10.100.125.110] (unknown [74.115.8.165]) (Authenticated sender: send10@myrv10.com) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1975CA80B8 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:36:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Message-ID: <520A7C9E.5080303@MyRV10.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:36:14 -0500 From: Tim Olson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] ADS-B References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020709060801030302000200" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020709060801030302000200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit :) What he said. That was a great post. Thanks Scott. You outlined it very well. I agree with your PPS....Personally I think drones have NO PLACE in our airspace unless they can be transmitting ADS-B. None whatsoever. Tim On 8/13/2013 12:32 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote: > The ADS-B requirement is merely 6+ years away. Consider that when > you make any avionics replacement/addition decisions. > 1. ADS-B Out will be required where Mode-C transponders are now required. > 2. ADS-B Out can be achieved by _either_ Extended Squitter (ES) sent > out at the transponder frequency (1090 MHz) or by a transceiver at 978 > MHz. > 3. If you fly above FL18, you must at least transmit ADS-B Out on the > 1090 MHz frequency (ES). > 4. The Out signal info must have the location/speed data derived from > an approved WAAS GPS. > 5. The ground stations will transmit weather data (FIS-B) and all > collected position information (however collected) on the transceiver > frequency of 978. 1090 is just too overloaded. The traffic data > (TIS-B) is limited to a hockey puck shaped space around the aircraft > that is transmitting its position (thousands of feet thick and 30 NM > diameter ?). Thus, if you are not transmitting your own position (ES > or transceiver with WAAS data), you can only pick up traffic that was > generated for airplanes that were transmitting and your impinging > traffic info may not be the complete picture if you are near the edge > of somebody else's puck. > 6. The best transceivers will be dual frequency and _receive_ data > from other aircraft (either 1090 or 978) and the ground stations (978). > 7. Transponder/navigation equipment like the Garmin 430/530 and GTx330 > can display only limited weather and traffic info. The FAA doesn't > care what is used to display received traffic/weather info. I.E. see > http://skyvisionxtreme.com/ and others (Dynon, etc.). > 8. About 525 of the final configuration of 800 ground station > transmitters are operational now and the rest should be operational by > the end of this year (or so). Thus, all the benefits are achievable > now over most of the country. See > http://www.faa.gov/nextgen/flashMap/index.cfm and click on BEGIN and > then ADS-B. > Don't cheap out! Do your research. > Scott Krueger > PS With onboard weather, pilots will choose the flexibility of VFR > flights and the traffic around storms will be in more congested > corridors. > PPS Checking on whether Drones, UAVs and military traffic will be > Outing via ADS-B. --------------020709060801030302000200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
:) What he said.

That was a great post.  Thanks Scott.  You outlined it very well.
I agree with your PPS....Personally I think drones have NO PLACE in our
airspace unless they can be transmitting ADS-B.  None whatsoever.

Tim

On 8/13/2013 12:32 PM, Sky2high@aol.com wrote:
The ADS-B requirement is merely 6+  years away.  Consider that when you make any avionics replacement/addition decisions.
 
1. ADS-B Out will be required where Mode-C transponders are now required.
2. ADS-B Out can be achieved by either Extended Squitter (ES) sent out at the transponder frequency (1090 MHz) or by a transceiver at 978 MHz.
3. If you fly above FL18, you must at least transmit ADS-B Out on the 1090 MHz frequency (ES).
4. The Out signal info must have the location/speed data derived from an approved WAAS GPS.
5. The ground stations will transmit weather data (FIS-B) and all collected position information (however collected) on the transceiver frequency of 978.  1090 is just too overloaded.  The traffic data (TIS-B) is limited to a hockey puck shaped space around the aircraft that is transmitting its position (thousands of feet thick and 30 NM diameter ?).  Thus, if you are not transmitting your own position (ES or transceiver with WAAS data), you can only pick up traffic that was generated for airplanes that were transmitting and your impinging traffic info may not be the complete picture if you are near the edge of somebody else's puck.
6. The best transceivers will be dual frequency and receive data from other aircraft (either 1090 or 978) and the ground stations (978). 
7. Transponder/navigation equipment like the Garmin 430/530 and GTx330 can display only limited weather and traffic info.  The FAA doesn't care what is used to display received traffic/weather info. I.E. see http://skyvisionxtreme.com/ and others (Dynon, etc.).
8. About 525 of the final configuration of 800 ground station transmitters are operational now and the rest should be operational by the end of this year (or so).  Thus, all the benefits are achievable now over most of the country.  See http://www.faa.gov/nextgen/flashMap/index.cfm and click on BEGIN and then ADS-B. 
 
Don't cheap out!  Do your research.
 
Scott Krueger
 
PS  With onboard weather, pilots will choose the flexibility of VFR flights and the traffic around storms will be in more congested corridors.
 
PPS  Checking on whether Drones, UAVs and military traffic will be Outing via ADS-B.

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