X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6416343 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:12:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=tednoel@cfl.rr.com X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=XpZ4yC59 c=1 sm=0 a=3ojic4p/4/GFVLdSTBAvnw==:17 a=lPzcwwf0IO0A:10 a=KiVbQdkf6L0A:10 a=O_DUg6Ln7EYA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=PirjuTcMq4IA:10 a=rAXAf2ehZPfymrPr4MkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=4PR2P7QzAAAA:8 a=YU6QbCiAs3d4NWiOCr4A:9 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=djSSOgbfo6cA:10 a=uWuPfBY8UzrE05Tt:21 a=3ojic4p/4/GFVLdSTBAvnw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 184.91.178.101 Received: from [184.91.178.101] ([184.91.178.101:54195] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 35/63-15971-CD86A025; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:11:56 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <520A68BF.9000209@cfl.rr.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 13:11:27 -0400 From: Ted Noel Reply-To: tednoel@cfl.rr.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070405090003080705030305" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070405090003080705030305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, I've actually simulated that situation. In a hershey-bar wing Arrow, 3,000' AGL, crosswind over the runway (high alpha approach), chop power, flat pitch prop, gear down, and full flaps. Roll 30 degrees and nose down to 100 kts. This simulates a IV with a windmilling prop. You'll go downstairs at 1,600 fpm and roll out on the numbers. It's exciting the first couple of times, but works very well. Ted Noel On 8/13/2013 9:25 AM, Bill Bradburry wrote: > > That seems a scenario where you would be in better shape with the > flaps up. You very well might make the runway. With flaps down, you > likely would not and it would be very dangerous to try and retract > them. With the high wing loading that all the Lancairs have, they are > flying bricks with no power. I think almost nobody makes the approach > to land with no power. > > Remember way back in primary training when the instructor had you > remove power abeam the numbers and make the landing without having to > add power? *Does anyone practice that maneuver with their Lancair?* > > Bill B > > --------------070405090003080705030305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill,

I've actually simulated that situation. In a hershey-bar wing Arrow, 3,000' AGL, crosswind over the runway (high alpha approach), chop power, flat pitch prop, gear down, and full flaps. Roll 30 degrees and nose down to 100 kts. This simulates a IV with a windmilling prop. You'll go downstairs at 1,600 fpm and roll out on the numbers. It's exciting the first couple of times, but works very well.

Ted Noel

On 8/13/2013 9:25 AM, Bill Bradburry wrote:

That seems a scenario where you would be in better shape with the flaps up. You very well might make the runway. With flaps down, you likely would not and it would be very dangerous to try and retract them. With the high wing loading that all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks with no power. I think almost nobody makes the approach to land with no power.

Remember way back in primary training when the instructor had you remove power abeam the numbers and make the landing without having to add power? Does anyone practice that maneuver with their Lancair?

Bill B

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