X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.7] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6415845 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:55:19 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.7; envelope-from=n5zq@verizon.net Received: from BillHP ([unknown] [173.72.172.118]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MRH008SA2N2RR30@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 08:54:39 -0500 (CDT) X-Original-Message-id: <9F944E0BF3244A1A97DA28D8E7692216@BillHP> From: "Bill Harrelson" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? X-Original-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 09:54:38 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0857_01CE980B.1FCBDF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0857_01CE980B.1FCBDF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill, When I introduce a pilot to the Lancair 320/360, I explain that they = need to check out in two completely different airplanes...dirty and = clean. I have measured the glide ratio of our 320 with power off, clean = and the prop full aft at better than 20:1. That=E2=80=99s hardly a = brick, more like a Schweizer 2-33 glider. At the other end of the = spectrum is the same plane dirty. Now you have the proverbial brick.=20 I regularly practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. = Get training from a LOBO or HPAT instructor and you=E2=80=99ll gain a = great deal of confidence in handling these planes power off. It CAN be = done safely and consistently. One skill that you=E2=80=99ll need to = acquire is knowing when to convert from glider to brick. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs N6ZQ IV 350 hrs From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:25 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? That seems a scenario where you would be in better shape with the flaps = up. You very well might make the runway. With flaps down, you likely = would not and it would be very dangerous to try and retract them. With = the high wing loading that all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks = with no power. I think almost nobody makes the approach to land with no = power. Remember way back in primary training when the instructor had you remove = power abeam the numbers and make the landing without having to add = power? Does anyone practice that maneuver with their Lancair? =20 Bill B ------=_NextPart_000_0857_01CE980B.1FCBDF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bill,
 
When I introduce a pilot to the Lancair = 320/360,=20 I explain that they need to check out in two completely different=20 airplanes...dirty and clean. I have measured the glide ratio of our 320 = with=20 power off, clean and the prop full aft at better than 20:1. = That=E2=80=99s hardly a=20 brick, more like a Schweizer = 2-33 glider.=20 At the other end of the spectrum is the same plane dirty. Now you have = the=20 proverbial brick.
 
I regularly=20 practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. Get training = from a=20 LOBO or HPAT instructor and you=E2=80=99ll gain a great deal of = confidence in handling=20 these planes power off. It CAN be done safely and consistently.  = One skill=20 that you=E2=80=99ll need to acquire is knowing when to convert from = glider to=20 brick.
 
Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
N6ZQ  IV  350 = hrs
 
 
 
 
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:25 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?
 

That seems a = scenario=20 where you would be in better shape with the flaps up.  You very = well might=20 make the runway.  With flaps down, you likely would not and it = would be=20 very dangerous to try and retract them.  With the high wing loading = that=20 all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks with no power.  I = think=20 almost nobody makes the approach to land with no=20 power.

Remember way = back in=20 primary training when the instructor had you remove power abeam the = numbers and=20 make the landing without having to add power?  Does anyone practice = that=20 maneuver with their Lancair?

 

Bill=20 B

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