X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:37:13 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6415949 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:28:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=f9nK9ZOM c=1 sm=0 a=+kuJ7Sa7hUpxs7xJxzDFzQ==:17 a=AeF9CLZUGkAA:10 a=O_DUg6Ln7EYA:10 a=zTVDa7HKqxcA:10 a=doupyKFmAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=PirjuTcMq4IA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=OLmmUzkeAAAA:8 a=YbeStzm4AAAA:8 a=p5JklBDUA74tQBmB7pgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=kHrPZqYrmFcA:10 a=Ha6xk8KqzfcA:10 a=Y2Wmqe1_jesA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=5ezAxR8l-FI4cVpnLnsA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=0CAuSGC4ihTu8ZTN:21 a=+kuJ7Sa7hUpxs7xJxzDFzQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 76.179.81.18 Received: from [76.179.81.18] ([76.179.81.18:53685] helo=WilliamHP) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 75/96-05415-2624A025; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 14:27:46 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <9A11EACF9BA9484AA674C7FA6B01C140@WilliamHP> From: "Bill Wade" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? X-Original-Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 10:27:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012F_01CE980F.BF97C890" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01CE980F.BF97C890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not at that point in the build yet, but would tape or paint on the = flap be visible from the cockpit? Navions have hydraulic flaps without preset positions and = that=E2=80=99s the method used. The IV & IV-P manual recommends 10 = degrees flaps normal T/O, 20 degrees for max performance, so several = marks could be placed if desired. For landing, there are speed limits = for flap extension where marks would also be useful. Using the ailerons = to set flaps in the pattern could be challenging. BTW, I=E2=80=99m planning to use a big ol=E2=80=99 hand pump and a = piston accumulator with an altered hydraulic system. The idea is to have = full hydraulics (flaps and gear up) if the power pack fails. Again, = Navions have fully functional systems using a hand backup, and I have = used it successfully in an emergency situation. It=E2=80=99s also useful = for maintenance checks. If my mods work as planned I=E2=80=99ll post them. -Bill Wade From: Dico Reijers=20 Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:47 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? Hi All, There isn't a particular reason I don't want to use flaps other than I = don't like the "sinking feeling"... but I will take a look at Bob's = suggestion on how to slow that down. I was also taught the "deflect = the ailerons and put the flaps down to that point" which I guessed was = about 15 degrees or so. I see here that its actually 20 degrees.... =20 -dr --=20 Regards, Dico Reijers InternetWorks Ltd. 300 University Avenue Charlottetown PE, C1A 4M4 902-892-4671 (T) 888-368-9484 (F) www.internetworks.ca www.apartmentspei.com ------=_NextPart_000_012F_01CE980F.BF97C890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  Not at that point in the build yet, but would tape or paint = on the=20 flap be visible from the cockpit?
 
  Navions have hydraulic flaps without preset positions and = that=E2=80=99s the=20 method used. The IV & IV-P manual recommends 10 degrees flaps normal = T/O, 20=20 degrees for max performance, so several marks could be placed if = desired. For=20 landing, there are speed limits for flap extension where marks would = also be=20 useful. Using the ailerons to set flaps in the pattern could be=20 challenging.
 
  BTW, I=E2=80=99m planning to use a big ol=E2=80=99 hand pump = and a piston=20 accumulator with an altered hydraulic system. The idea is to have full=20 hydraulics (flaps and gear up) if the power pack fails. Again, Navions = have=20 fully functional systems using a hand backup, and I have used it = successfully in=20 an emergency situation. It=E2=80=99s also useful for maintenance = checks.
 
  If my mods work as planned I=E2=80=99ll post them. -Bill = Wade
 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 11:47 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?
 
Hi=20 All,

There isn't a particular reason I don't want to use flaps = other than=20 I don't like the "sinking feeling"...  but I will take a look at = Bob's=20 suggestion on how to slow that down.   I was also taught the = "deflect=20 the ailerons and put the flaps down to that point" which I guessed was = about 15=20 degrees or so.  I see here that its actually 20 degrees.... =20

-dr


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Dico=20 Reijers

InternetWorks Ltd.
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