Posted for Matt losangeles <mattinlosangeles@yahoo.com>:

> I feel much safer adding 5 knots or so on the ground before I lift off so I
>don't have to mess with trim when I am low to the ground. I could see a
>scenario where I take off IFR and I am immediately handed off to departure
>control while I am putting the flaps up. They tell me to do something the
>requires me to look at my map and the next thing you know, while distracted,
> I am at an unusual attitude really close to the ground. When I am down low
>like that I want to make sure if I am distracted it isn't a problem, the
>plane just keeps on climbing along at Vy or so.
>
> I also would guess if you use flaps on take off, this adds drag and slows
>your rate of climb (I have not tested this). I am able to be at Vy a couple
>seconds after take off and I am going to get to a safer altitude before the
>guy using flaps (again, this is my guess since I have not tested the two
>scenarios).
>
> Another thing. It is an experimental aircraft. As it states on the
>EAA, "There is  no FAA approved flight manual or POH for experimental
>aircraft, nor is there a  TC".
>
> Ohh, what about those reno racer Legacy aircraft that have just bonded thier
>flaps in place so they can't go down in order to eliminate the drag of the
>hindges. I guess they are not flying those aircraft the way they were meant
>to be flown. You could argue they are reno racers I suppose. It is also
>likely they are using those planes the other 51 weeks out of the year to fly
>all over the place and those planes don't seem to be crashing on takeoff.
>
> "I believe everyone would agree that flaps do add a margin of safety"
> I personally consider myself part of everyone and I don't agree that flaps
>do in fact add a margin of safety on take off. I use them on landing so I can
>see out the window and out of habit I suppose. If the speed you land at makes
>such a difference, then the best thing to be doing is flying a plane that
>lands at a slower speed.
>
> Perhaps if we were all 100 hour pilots, blindly following the POH makes
>sense. It is funny, I remember having this EXACT same argument on a Mooney
>board. I used to take off without flaps when I had a Mooney and I heard the
>same thing there. Follow the POH explicitly or you are completely reckless
>and should have your license taken away. At least those Mooney guys had a
>point. That was a certified aircraft with a POH that said to take off with
>flaps.
>
> Something else to consider, if flaps are so critical to flight on our
>planes, why on earth don't they have a back up system to ensure they always
>go down when needed like our landing gear has? My guess is because the plane
>will fly just fine without them.
>
> Matt
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Art Jensen <flycassutts@yahoo.com>
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 1:46 PM
> Subject: [LML] Re: To Marv
>
> Maybe Wolfgang was short on political correctness, but the truth remains
>that if you cannot or do not fly the plane as it was meant to be flown then
>you should not be flying that plane.
>
> I believe everyone would agree that flaps do add a margin of safety and
>should be used for take-off and landing as per your POH and I believe every
>instructor giving training in a Lancair would agree.  If an instructor
>reading this disagrees, please share why you disagree with me.
>
> Art
>
> Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:  steve <n5276j@aol.com>;  To:  <lml@lancaironline.net>;  Subject:
> [LML] Re: To Marv  Sent:  Mon, Aug 12, 2013 5:39:28 PM
> I second your post. I am surprised by the comment.
>
> steve alderman   N25SA 360
>
> .
> -----Original Message----- From: Claudette Colwell <colwell.ch@gmail.com>
>To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net> Sent: Mon, Aug 12, 2013 5:43 am Subject:
>[LML] To Marv
> It is very regretful the comment from Wolfgang apparently directed to Matt
>appeared on the LML. This has always been a constructive exchange of
>information and ideas. That type of personal comment is not in keeping with
>the spirit of cooperative sharing of information.
>
> Claudette