X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6383541 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:17:53 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.66; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=cS+f5G6hvYA7Qfx06XlWqNCj0I/HGbB6O3kt7uweMyUEP/3B/QyXIW5PgrdRB4T8; h=Received:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:References:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.105.254.146] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1V1SA1-00048V-Ki for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:17:09 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: ADS-B Tracking of Plane & Pilot: Precursor to User Fees? From: Colyn Case In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 22:17:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <70738E8E-24F6-4D6B-9061-DC3ED8B364B5@earthlink.net> References: To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da9406bcb9e1acedc12d437dbd3b45a634cfe350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.105.254.146 It may be commonplace but it amounts to search without warrant, nearly. I think the attitude that you cannot do anything about it is a major = piece of the problem. People don't seem to get that when they sign up for a grocery store club = card they are really agreeing to have the store use and maybe sell = information on what they buy. I always refuse them unless they will = give me an anonymous one. If more people asked, it would put more = pressure on the system. ...and yes I wait in line instead of having easy-pass and don't go to = extra trouble to clean the snow and mud off my license plate. back to the ADSB issue, if bizjets can keep their data off flight aware = shouldn't it be possible to mount a campaign to deny transmission of = your transponder id? On Jul 22, 2013, at 3:28 PM, Paul Miller wrote: I think you will find that many traffic systems now record and identify = license plates and possibly can perform facial recognition as does the = UK in London, and at soccer matches, for example. While the transponder = is a nice touch, the toll plazas easily track your account if the = battery is dead as do the red light cams we have up north. I think if = someone did something bad all those resources would be brought to bear = on tracking people or persons but I believe it is all being recorded and = stored today.=20 I don't understand your comment on using a pilot name during an ATC = Call. Do you have a reference? Paul On 2013-07-22, at 13:43, jeffrey liegner wrote: > In your car, unless you voluntarily have an EasyPass transponder, your = Constitutional rights to free travel are (for the most part) = unencumbered and unmonitored by the government. =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html