Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #66231
From: Jay Phillips <jayph@fastairplane.net>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] ADS-B Tracking of Plane & Pilot: Precursor to User Fees?
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 15:28:28 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I've had ADS-B out in my Legacy for several years and in my IV-P since the
first of the year. Never happened to me. I mostly fly VFR with flight
following so maybe it's an IFR thing?

The car thing is already happening. Article in the news last week says that
using cameras and license plate recognition various agencies are building
databases of where/when your car has been. If you have OnStar or something
similar your car is already being tracked.

Jay Phillips

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From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
jeffrey liegner
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2013 10:43 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] ADS-B Tracking of Plane & Pilot: Precursor to User Fees?

With ADS-B out, they will track your N number everywhere using your
transponder output.  That means not only tracking you (personally, wherever
you are), but making it much easier to charge each N number according to the
duration and time flying over the USA and "using" the national airspace
asset.

I was recently told that controllers using a pilots ADS-B output will
respond to an initial ATC call by using the pilots name (not N number).
This level of identification and personal recognition is a new frontier.

What are pilots thinking in regards to having their movements tracked?  In
your car, unless you voluntarily have an EasyPass transponder, your
Constitutional rights to free travel are (for the most part) unencumbered
and unmonitored by the government.  

Jeff L


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Miller <pjdmiller@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Certificate Expiration Dates????
Date: July 21, 2013 9:12:24 PM EDT
To: lml@lancaironline.net


I think the intent is far more reaching than to purge non-flying aircraft
from the database.  It is likely to get a grip on aircraft registered to
foreign entities through US trusts and many of these aircraft operate
overseas and are controlled by non-US persons.   While these are typically
allowed and approved in the past by the FAA, the latest news releases
indicate the IG auditor is criticizing the FAA for not having enough data
and control on who controls these trusts.  The Trusts are now being withheld
as I read.  With each country going after revenue grabs for N-registered
aircraft abroad, I suspect a revenue grab domestically for "foreigners"
using the label of "N" will appear some day and it will be more than $5.

Anytime someone creates a database of owners of objects, the government
finds a way to collect revenue on those assets.  Canada (my country) does
that now with the aircraft registry on each flight and its not hard to
imagine how it might play out when the database is complete with newly
confirmed mailing addresses of all flying N-registered aircraft.   I think
it is inevitable that owners of aircraft are going to be asked to pay to fly
just as we are in Canada and owners are in Europe.   But, you have to have a
database of verified billing addresses before you can send out invoices.

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