Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #66172
From: Ken <kkellner1@new.rr.com>
Sender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AFS Pilot
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:27:56 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
I will double down on Grayhawk's huge capital investment.  Rigging my IV-P ailerons so the inboard trailing edges are slightly above the flap trailing edge, in level flight, lightened my roll stick forces, and reduced hunting from the TT Sorcerer.  It now does not hunt in AP mode.
 
It still does hunt in GPSS mode.  More so when toggled to the Chelton, less so when toggled to the GNS 430.  I suspect it may have something to do with the Chelton user programmable settings, but I don't know which ones.
 
I will also be sending my roll servo to TT for the high torque and slip clutch upgrade.  The low torque does ok at the Medium bank angle setting but will not handle the High bank angle setting.  I have also sheared the shear screw so the slip clutch seems to make sense to me.
 
Ken Kellner
IV-P  14LK
920-858-7535
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AFS Pilot

This is just a suggestion - My $0.00 worth.
 
Properly rigged ailerons have a slight float or dead band partially available from lash in the linkage.  If so, the airplane may experience slight lateral imbalance that a sensitive AP may pick up and try to correct.  Holding the stick reduces the dead band movement.  So ....
 
One might try an experiment - Rig the ailerons ever so slightly up (say a half or full turn in on the final aileron linkage rod end on each side).  This may result in a very slight air load on each aileron in level flight thus elimination of oscillation in the dead band?  This also results in the up aileron going up more before the down aileron is, uh, going down. 
 
Like I said, for what it's worth,
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 7/15/2013 9:30:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, toddlong1@gmail.com writes:
Does anyone who has a sorcerer find it tracks smooth? On my AFPilot the standard servo has a problem rolling at high speed. You can hear the servo ratchet as the stepper motor jumps. Once it does this it starts a sort of oscillation.  Back and forth at a fairly high rate. Doesn't turn to much. If I hold the stick steady it calms down. From what I see quite a few have had to upgrade to the higher torque servo. Since I just bought my setup this year would be nice had they just quoted it with the high torque knowing the standard might be too weak.
There was an S-TEC 55x in it before. But since the HSI was upgraded to glass nothing wanted to talk to it anymore. Barely a fancy wing leveler at that point.

Bill which tru track do you have? What is it hooked to that is driving it.

Typing and r grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone.

On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:55, "Bill Harrelson" <n5zq@verizon.net> wrote:

> Todd,
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> I've tried pretty much every combination of settings with the TT autopilot on our IV.  It hunted with the standard servos so I spent a grand upgrading and now it hunts with the high torque servos. Haven't been all that impressed with TT so far.
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> Bill Harrelson
> N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
> N6ZQ  IV  300 hrs
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> -----Original Message----- From: Todd Long
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:22 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] AFS Pilot
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> How many people are flying a IV-P with the tru trak AFS Pilot? Which servos do you have installed? I. Thinking I need the higher torque servos on the ailerons at high speed cruise?what settings do you have it at? I'm trying to dial mine in and get rid of the hunting.
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