X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 06:27:56 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6374597 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:49:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.122; envelope-from=kkellner1@new.rr.com X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=KtrPKBqN c=1 sm=0 a=obLwkm3ISv3u5N1fLH+lKQ==:17 a=Iy1csxky15oA:10 a=05ChyHeVI94A:10 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=OzOvpO6bW3cA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=dZheytSYvw2p9d7ZdFAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=E5fhy3RwCSkA:10 a=CVU0O5Kb7MsA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=ILCZio5HsAgA:10 a=rwYixRP8OP6tdnvPmiUA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=7bpzfq7IskqoCEaN:21 a=obLwkm3ISv3u5N1fLH+lKQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 70.92.78.168 Received: from [70.92.78.168] ([70.92.78.168:2186] helo=D4SSJS91) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 7A/EC-09005-F74B4E15; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 02:48:32 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <4B754801E2E64FEF8FACEAFEB075F4EC@D4SSJS91> From: "Ken" X-Original-To: , References: <32a32.2ff9687b.3f156b98@aol.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AFS Pilot X-Original-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 21:48:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05EB_01CE81A5.0C4553A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05EB_01CE81A5.0C4553A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I will double down on Grayhawk's huge capital investment. Rigging my = IV-P ailerons so the inboard trailing edges are slightly above the flap = trailing edge, in level flight, lightened my roll stick forces, and = reduced hunting from the TT Sorcerer. It now does not hunt in AP mode. It still does hunt in GPSS mode. More so when toggled to the Chelton, = less so when toggled to the GNS 430. I suspect it may have something to = do with the Chelton user programmable settings, but I don't know which = ones. I will also be sending my roll servo to TT for the high torque and slip = clutch upgrade. The low torque does ok at the Medium bank angle setting = but will not handle the High bank angle setting. I have also sheared = the shear screw so the slip clutch seems to make sense to me. Ken Kellner IV-P 14LK 920-858-7535 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AFS Pilot This is just a suggestion - My $0.00 worth. Properly rigged ailerons have a slight float or dead band partially = available from lash in the linkage. If so, the airplane may experience = slight lateral imbalance that a sensitive AP may pick up and try to = correct. Holding the stick reduces the dead band movement. So ....=20 One might try an experiment - Rig the ailerons ever so slightly up = (say a half or full turn in on the final aileron linkage rod end on each = side). This may result in a very slight air load on each aileron in = level flight thus elimination of oscillation in the dead band? This = also results in the up aileron going up more before the down aileron is, = uh, going down.=20 Like I said, for what it's worth, Grayhawk In a message dated 7/15/2013 9:30:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, = toddlong1@gmail.com writes: Does anyone who has a sorcerer find it tracks smooth? On my AFPilot = the standard servo has a problem rolling at high speed. You can hear the = servo ratchet as the stepper motor jumps. Once it does this it starts a = sort of oscillation. Back and forth at a fairly high rate. Doesn't turn = to much. If I hold the stick steady it calms down. From what I see quite = a few have had to upgrade to the higher torque servo. Since I just = bought my setup this year would be nice had they just quoted it with the = high torque knowing the standard might be too weak.=20 There was an S-TEC 55x in it before. But since the HSI was upgraded = to glass nothing wanted to talk to it anymore. Barely a fancy wing = leveler at that point.=20 Bill which tru track do you have? What is it hooked to that is = driving it.=20 Typing and r grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone. On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:55, "Bill Harrelson" wrote: > Todd, >=20 > I've tried pretty much every combination of settings with the TT = autopilot on our IV. It hunted with the standard servos so I spent a = grand upgrading and now it hunts with the high torque servos. Haven't = been all that impressed with TT so far. >=20 > Bill Harrelson > N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs > N6ZQ IV 300 hrs >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Todd Long > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 1:22 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] AFS Pilot >=20 > How many people are flying a IV-P with the tru trak AFS Pilot? = Which servos do you have installed? I. Thinking I need the higher torque = servos on the ailerons at high speed cruise?what settings do you have it = at? I'm trying to dial mine in and get rid of the hunting. >=20 > Sent from my iPad > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_05EB_01CE81A5.0C4553A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will double down on = Grayhawk's huge=20 capital investment.  Rigging my IV-P ailerons so the inboard = trailing=20 edges are slightly above the flap trailing edge, in level flight, = lightened=20 my roll stick forces, and reduced hunting from the TT Sorcerer.  It = now=20 does not hunt in AP mode.
 
It still does hunt in GPSS = mode. =20 More so when toggled to the Chelton, less so when toggled to the GNS = 430. =20 I suspect it may have something to do with the Chelton user programmable = settings, but I don't know which ones.
 
I will also be sending my = roll servo to=20 TT for the high torque and slip clutch upgrade.  The low torque = does ok at=20 the Medium bank angle setting but will not handle the High bank angle=20 setting.  I have also sheared the shear screw so the slip clutch = seems to=20 make sense to me.
 
Ken Kellner
IV-P  = 14LK
920-858-7535
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sky2high@aol.com=20
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 = 10:13=20 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: AFS = Pilot

This is just a suggestion - My $0.00 worth.
 
Properly rigged ailerons have a slight float or dead band = partially=20 available from lash in the linkage.  If so, the airplane may = experience=20 slight lateral imbalance that a sensitive AP may pick up and try to=20 correct.  Holding the stick reduces the dead band movement.  = So ....=20
 
One might try an experiment - Rig the ailerons ever so slightly = up (say a=20 half or full turn in on the final aileron linkage rod end on each = side).  This may result in a very slight air load on each aileron = in=20 level flight thus elimination of oscillation in the dead = band?  This=20 also results in the up aileron going up more before the down = aileron is,=20 uh, going down. 
 
Like I said, for what it's worth,
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 7/15/2013 9:30:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 toddlong1@gmail.com writes:
Does=20 anyone who has a sorcerer find it tracks smooth? On my AFPilot the = standard=20 servo has a problem rolling at high speed. You can hear the servo = ratchet as=20 the stepper motor jumps. Once it does this it starts a sort of=20 oscillation.  Back and forth at a fairly high rate. Doesn't = turn to=20 much. If I hold the stick steady it calms down. From what I see = quite a few=20 have had to upgrade to the higher torque servo. Since I just bought = my setup=20 this year would be nice had they just quoted it with the high torque = knowing=20 the standard might be too weak.
There was an S-TEC 55x in it = before. But=20 since the HSI was upgraded to glass nothing wanted to talk to it = anymore.=20 Barely a fancy wing leveler at that point.

Bill which tru = track do=20 you have? What is it hooked to that is driving it.

Typing = and r=20 grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone.

On Jul 15, = 2013, at=20 6:55, "Bill Harrelson" <n5zq@verizon.net> wrote:

>=20 Todd,
>
> I've tried pretty much every combination of = settings=20 with the TT autopilot on our IV.  It hunted with the standard = servos so=20 I spent a grand upgrading and now it hunts with the high torque = servos.=20 Haven't been all that impressed with TT so far.
>
> = Bill=20 Harrelson
> N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs
> N6ZQ  IV  300 = hrs
>
>
>
>
>
> = -----Original=20 Message----- From: Todd Long
> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 = 1:22=20 PM
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] AFS=20 Pilot
>
> How many people are flying a IV-P with the = tru trak=20 AFS Pilot? Which servos do you have installed? I. Thinking I need = the higher=20 torque servos on the ailerons at high speed cruise?what settings do = you have=20 it at? I'm trying to dial mine in and get rid of the = hunting.
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
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