X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 21:19:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm26-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([216.39.63.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6362290 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 05 Jul 2013 17:59:16 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.39.63.174; envelope-from=anpfield@sbcglobal.net Received: from [216.39.60.176] by nm26.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 21:58:39 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.175] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 21:58:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Jul 2013 21:58:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 18579.49671.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 6z5.CLoVM1kFjaqDOmK4J0oe0Y496fTz0BixvtplY1SSMFn 5CJNh7V0ZigqzlBJznfrHUqX7OfSEcjdBcTE1gdWQUG7I3UyMVL6u6zI5.X3 4qKSfe47fUnSIECzyjoH1u8YDq78XqQLSshIzSNg79t_JMIjPOGxBH_HoODj Z.kNwnA3dYXG9b5Jyv.MzmvChgr4sOq59r_qnd6x5Z5au2dvUod7g34cLjbc fZ8yIUVtLVTk8Yo6mOOGbsIMchluokQjleact2PHa.aqKpe_WY7AOF0shbwp su2o5_prpWxbfk.P4_ARTc9koxBjRA8hmcn2KGSfNy72aoRqfH27VjViuEq. GzF4il8TKq_gzklZhtHta_NjIhDl6sHDH9drwJMmb0Ho5M0yRja5JNJRl3H_ j.q0b7ih.FlW6ahcY7JPyEt.2xGdfGU5Nbk5hW06x4_Oa67nAUW9eigsso6G pEYpeozvrWm8KxY_QOdCUSzMq5O9okaTNmxAScuDNs_6PPr96Qcubfnzy2Hq h2vhjpnxszo55IMnGwQbAbk.v0Sx6U2yC_EsUlAS5MGrOtP9c X-Yahoo-SMTP: M2dqCgKswBDQjE8MoF8jSmCdTsUI2v7j63ZxcFoNP0Q8o1U- X-Rocket-Received: from PBFlaptop (anpfield@97.103.202.31 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 Jul 2013 14:58:38 -0700 PDT From: "Peter Field" X-Original-To: "'Rob Murawski'" , References: Subject: RE: [LNC2] Rudder help X-Original-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 16:58:42 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac55xlCdFxf2DXjNQvumC8TMx+JDTAAAf2tw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Rob: If you have finished the vertical tail, the rudder is next. Trim those ribs down until the halves fit properly. Be sure to measure the thickness of your vertical tail TE to insure you don't make the rudder LE too thin or overly fat. Be sure to build "hats" onto the opposing inside surfaces laid up with release tape so you can get the halves apart to lay up two bids to attach the hats to the ribs themselves. It's not hard, but there's a lot of trimming and fitting and laying up the two bids on the hats and ribs is close quarters work. Cheers, Pete Field LNC2 std, St. Louis -----Original Message----- From: Rob Murawski [mailto:rob@robmurawski.com] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 2:08 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LNC2] Rudder help I started looking at the rudder halves from my "Super Fast Build" Lancair 360 kit. I, as far as I can tell, am the first to open these from the factory packaging in plastic and tape. When I try to put these halves together, the fit isn't even close. Now, I was expecting I'd have to do *some* sanding, but some of these ribs look like they are way too big. Picture 1 shows me trying to sandwich the upper part of the rudder together and it just doesn't even look close. Picture 2 shows the upper part of the factory-completed half. I can see that the foreword rib (in the overhang section) sits outside of the core material and that rib drops lower where it meets core material, but it still looks like both parts are too high. In fact, the foam block is supposed to end up potted into the core of the opposite rudder half and, clearly, it won't because it is sitting lower than the rib. Picture 3 shows the middle rib. Based on its current shape, the adjoining half would have a pretty significant bend in it to meet at the trailing edge. I just thought the rudder would be more... symmetrical. I think I am slightly confused because the contour of the ribs looks like it attempts to include areas where the core material ends. Was this to help keep a final shape or is this a correct dimension? I went searching for blueprints/dimensions of the rudder and the closest I found was Blueprint "C" which said it was the "Horiz Stab, Elev Vert Stab, Rudder, Aft Fslg Bulkheads, BL-35 wing partial rib," but when I look at the blueprint, there is nothing there for the rudder. So before I start sanding down these ribs and even the spar in a few spots, is the fastbuild really this bad or am I clearly doing something wrong because the fastbuild stuff should fit together? Thanks, -Rob Lancair 360 MkII, 15% complete Pittsburgh, PA