X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:32:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com ([209.85.220.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6345236 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:09:08 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.48; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id kp12so9813491pab.21 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.66.161.41 with SMTP id xp9mr24069003pab.166.1371996512759; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:08:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.1.109] ([24.56.209.218]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i16sm15018443pag.18.2013.06.23.07.08.31 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:08:32 -0700 (PDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-D3F1FD62-8458-4729-AC4E-6B1BBD25DF42 X-Original-Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10B329) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Odyssey Batteries X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:08:28 -0700 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-D3F1FD62-8458-4729-AC4E-6B1BBD25DF42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Harbor Freight sells a battery tester that draws a HUGE current out of the b= attery and gives a reading on the result. I can't comment on how accurate i= t is but it should provide pretty good clues about the health of a battery. John Sent from my iPad On Jun 23, 2013, at 4:41 AM, Kyrilian Dyer wrote: > Bob, >=20 > Robert Nuckolls is the author of a popular home building electrical design= book entitled The AeroElectric Connection (available at http://www.aeroelec= tric.com/), and is very active in answering associated questions on the Aero= Electric List (http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php?f=3D3). >=20 > He suggests that cranking ability is a poor indication of a battery's capa= city. In other words, energy capacity as would be required to drive your cr= itical systems if your alternator failed at night or IMC should not be confu= sed with short term power generation required to crank an engine. You may l= ose lots of capacity without a noticeable drop in cranking ability. >=20 > In his book and online he talks about ways to measure capacity. In simple t= erms, it boils down to applying a constant known load (like a load bank or j= ust a light bulb) and measuring voltage over time (or simply measuring the t= ime until the voltage has fallen below a preset voltage). See http://www.ae= roelectric.com/articles/battest.pdf for more info. >=20 > - Kyrilian >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 21, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Robert R Pastusek wrote= : >=20 >> Angier wrote: >>=20 >> I installed two Odyssey PC545 batteries during the build in May 2008. >> First flight was back in February and about a month ago I thought I sense= d a little less cranking power on startup. >> On start on the last flight, the prop would not pass through the compress= ion stroke so I waited a bit, hit the starter again and even through there w= as a bit of hesitation, motor started normally. So my uneducated guess is th= at these batteries are tired and have lost a lot of there cranking power. Th= ey have always been maintained on an Odyssey Battery Minder and with a check= on a battery tester, they're still in the green. Anyway, two new PC545 will= be installed today. >> Everybody else having good experience with their Odyssey batteries? >>=20 >>=20 >> Angier, >> Five years is pretty good service life for batteries, but generally, the= Odesseys should do better, especially since you've kept them in good condi= tion/lightly used.=20 >>=20 >> I have two independent electrical systems on my IV-P, using two PC 680s e= ach. I replaced the pair of batteries I bought in 2006 last year, and was pl= anning to replace the 2008 batteries at this condition inspection. Both set= s still crank the airplane well, but this is one area where I'm "second gues= sing," so I could use some factual information as well. For example, is the= re a valid test for power available, etc. >>=20 >> One other note. These batteries require a higher charging voltage than "r= egular" batteries. Be sure your regulator is adjusted to the specs called fo= r in the Odessey literature. Can send same if needed, but also available on-= line. >>=20 >> Bob >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.ht= ml --Apple-Mail-D3F1FD62-8458-4729-AC4E-6B1BBD25DF42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Harbor Freight sells a battery tester t= hat draws a HUGE current out of the battery and gives a reading on the resul= t.  I can't comment on how accurate it is but it should provide pretty g= ood clues about the health of a battery.

John
Sent from my iPad


On Jun 23, 2013, at 4:41 AM= , Kyrilian Dyer <kyrilian_av@yah= oo.com> wrote:

Bob,

Robert Nuckolls is the author of a popular home buildi= ng electrical design book entitled The AeroElectric Connection (available at=  http://www.= aeroelectric.com/), and is very active in answering associated qu= estions on the AeroElectric List (http://forums.matronics.com/viewforum.php= ?f=3D3).

He suggests that cranking abili= ty is a poor indication of a battery's capacity.  In other words, energ= y capacity as would be required to drive your critical systems if your alter= nator failed at night or IMC should not be confused with short term power ge= neration required to crank an engine.  You may lose lots of capacity wi= thout a noticeable drop in cranking ability.

In his= book and online he talks about ways to measure capacity. In simple terms, i= t boils down to applying a constant known load (like a load bank or just a l= ight bulb) and measuring voltage over time (or simply measuring the time unt= il the voltage has fallen below a preset voltage).  See http://w= ww.aeroelectric.com/articles/battest.pdf for more info.

- Kyrilian



On Jun 21, 2= 013, at 11:59 PM, Robert R Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com> wrote:

<= div>Angier wrote:

I installed two Ody= ssey PC545 batteries during the build in May 2008.
First fli= ght was back in February and about a month ago I thought I sensed a little l= ess cranking power on startup.
On start on the last flight, t= he prop would not pass through the compression stroke so I waited a bit, hit= the starter again and even through there was a bit of hesitation, motor sta= rted normally. So my uneducated guess is that these batteries are tired and h= ave lost a lot of there cranking power. They have always been maintained on a= n Odyssey Battery Minder and with a check on a battery tester, they're still= in the green. Anyway, two new PC545 will be installed today.
Everybody else having good experience with their Odyssey batteries?=


Angier,
Five yea= rs is pretty good service life for batteries,  but generally, the Odess= eys should do  better, especially since you've kept them in good condit= ion/lightly used.

I have two independent e= lectrical systems on my IV-P, using two PC 680s each. I replaced the pair of= batteries I bought in 2006 last year, and was planning to replace the 2008 &= nbsp;batteries at this condition inspection. Both sets still crank the airpl= ane well, but this is one area where I'm "second guessing," so I could  = ;use some factual information as well. For example, is there a valid test fo= r power available, etc.

One other note. The= se batteries require a higher charging voltage than "regular" batteries. Be s= ure your regulator is adjusted to the specs called for in the Odessey litera= ture. Can send same if needed, but also available on-line.
<= /span>
Bob



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