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Subject: Re: [LML] IV-P TSIO550 Plenum
From: Don Karich <donkarich@gmail.com>
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Over the oil check door. I used hi temp silicon to seal around the
individual cylinders and  force all intake air through the cooling
passages. Works great and almost makes engine run too cool. Also had no
touching or vibration
On Jun 3, 2013 2:10 PM, "Bob Rickard" <r.rickard@rcginc-us.com> wrote:

> Gents - a couple of questions regarding plenum design (IV-P/TSIO 550
> specific)
>
> 1.  What do you do about the oil door on top of the cowl?
>
> 2.  Is it better to have absolute min volume around the engine, or is it
> ok to mold to the cowl for the upper sides?
>
> 3. What do you do for airflow on the pilots side where the 3rd intercoole=
r
> is?
>
> I'm definitely sold on the plenum idea and have a great carbon man here i=
n
> STL.  Just need to figure out those specifics to get designing=85..
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob R
> IV-P
>
>
> On May 25, 2013, at 12:51 PM, Paul Miller <pjdmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tom, I looked at your plenum page
>
> http://www.n54sg.com/baffle-kit-diffusers-and-plenum/
>
> where you place the poster board over the engine for a mold shape.  I was
> thinking how easy that could be on the IO550 even if it didn't do all the
> fancy work up front with diffusers and so forth.  Such a simple piece mig=
ht
> seal the back, two sides for perhaps 75% positive seal.  It would get rid
> of a lot of silicone strips with (what appears to be) reasonable effort.
>  Great idea.
>
> Paul
> Legacy
> On 2013-05-24, at 1:57 PM, Tom McNerney <dudewanarace@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> A lot is possible.  Could be gear actuator, could be a door actuator,
> could be the dump valve, etc.
>
>
>
>
> Bob Rickard
> President, Rickard Consulting Group, Inc.
> r.rickard@rcginc-us.com
>
>
>
>

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<p>Over the oil check door. I used hi temp silicon to seal around the indiv=
idual cylinders and=A0 force all intake air through the cooling passages. W=
orks great and almost makes engine run too cool. Also had no touching or vi=
bration</p>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Jun 3, 2013 2:10 PM, &quot;Bob Rickard&quot; =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r.rickard@rcginc-us.com">r.rickard@rcginc-us.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Gents - a couple of questions regarding=
 plenum design (IV-P/TSIO 550 specific)<div><br></div><div>1. =A0What do yo=
u do about the oil door on top of the cowl? =A0</div><div><br></div><div>2.=
 =A0Is it better to have absolute min volume around the engine, or is it ok=
 to mold to the cowl for the upper sides?</div>
<div><br></div><div>3. What do you do for airflow on the pilots side where =
the 3rd intercooler is?</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m definitely sold on=
 the plenum idea and have a great carbon man here in STL. =A0Just need to f=
igure out those specifics to get designing=85..</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Bob R</d=
iv><div>IV-P</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On May 25, 2013, at 12:=
51 PM, Paul Miller &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pjdmiller@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">pjdmiller@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div>
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Tom, I lo=
oked at your plenum page<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://www.n54sg.com=
/baffle-kit-diffusers-and-plenum/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.n54sg.com/b=
affle-kit-diffusers-and-plenum/</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>where you place the poster board over the engine for a =
mold shape. =A0I was thinking how easy that could be on the IO550 even if i=
t didn&#39;t do all the fancy work up front with diffusers and so forth. =
=A0Such a simple piece might seal the back, two sides for perhaps 75% posit=
ive seal. =A0It would get rid of a lot of silicone strips with (what appear=
s to be) reasonable effort. =A0Great idea.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div>Legacy<br><div><div>On 2013-05-24, at 1:=
57 PM, Tom McNerney &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dudewanarace@yahoo.com" target=3D=
"_blank">dudewanarace@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D=
"cite">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">A lot =
is possible.=A0 Could be gear actuator, could be a door actuator, could be =
the dump valve, etc.</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote><=
/div>
<br><div>
<span><img height=3D"78" width=3D"200" src=3D"cid:44972CD8-B1BA-45F5-8EB0-0=
09D3716F0AC"></span><span style=3D"text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;fo=
nt-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;font-weight:nor=
mal;line-height:normal;border-collapse:separate;text-transform:none;font-si=
ze:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-spacing:0px"><div>
<br>Bob Rickard</div><div>President, Rickard Consulting Group, Inc.</div><d=
iv><a href=3D"mailto:r.rickard@rcginc-us.com" target=3D"_blank">r.rickard@r=
cginc-us.com</a></div><br><br></span>
</div>
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