X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 19:32:26 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s12.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.87] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6003684 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 09 Jan 2013 17:25:22 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.87; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from BLU172-DS3 ([65.55.116.74]) by blu0-omc3-s12.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:24:48 -0800 X-EIP: [rcy114+/ASySUKeoGTRk9rtLBvWBTj8S] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Purchase Advice LNC2 X-Original-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:24:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CDEE75.14B9AEF0" In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.50.0008.2100 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:24:48 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jan 2013 22:24:48.0894 (UTC) FILETIME=[22CE21E0:01CDEEB8] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CDEE75.14B9AEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, The 235 airframe gross weight was subsequently (1998) raised to 1,500 = lbs. on take-off and 1,400 lbs. on landing. ...A friend of mine later bought that very same 235 kit and still = suffers........ What is your friend suffering from? Along with the 235, I would surmise that there may not be very many = 320's and 360's that are not exceeding the factory gross weight numbers. The 320/360 is only 1" wider than the 235 airframe. A little taller = yes, but if you are 6 foot whatever, then maybe you need a Legacy where = there is even more headroom (and even more fuel capacity). =20 Along with Bill's post, I think the 235 is getting a bad rap on the = forum. I'm with Randy; a 235 with Lyc. 320 is very fine. It keeps up with the = best of them and has relatively low fuel burn. Take-off GPH is 11.2, = cruise fuel burn is anywhere you want to make it from 6 to 9 GPH. Gary Edwards 235/320 Medford, Oregon ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tim J=F8rgensen=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 8:01 AM Subject: [LML] Re: Purchase Advice LNC2 Purchase a 235 , ending at $50k=20 Enjoy 160KTAS at 6gph. =20 Now, considering $70k on a good 320/360=20 enjoy 190KTAS at 9gph, and a bit more room and better climb. My question is, to most of you is $20k worth the room, performance, = yet higher fuel flow? Don=B4t forget: Gross weight 235 =3D 1490 lbs. Gross weight 320/360 MKI =3D 1640 lbs. Fross weight 320/360 MKII =3D 1790 lbs. These numbers might be the most important reason to find a good = 320/360 MKII. I considered a 235 vs. a 320/360 kit back in 2003. The price = difference was some USD 5.000,-.=20 Don Gordon talked me out of the 235 kit when I visited his hangar, and = I am glad he did (thank you Don !!!) A friend of mine later bought that very same 235 kit and still = suffers........ Anyway, I started building the 360MKII in 2003. Back then, a good 9 = years and 30-some pounds ago, I realized that the 1490 lbs. gross weight = would not do. I now realize that I should have bought a Legacy for the = extra payload. - Or maybe an AN-2...... Anyway, the 320/360MKII is well worth the extra 20k in my opinion. In = fact it is probably better than the Legacy because of the Lycoming = engine. It also looks better. Ooh, and don=B4t forget that you are going = to want a MKII model because of the bigger tail. The big tail is not = nearly as dangerous as the small tail, especially if you plan on doing = spins. It also looks better. Tim Jorgensen 360MKIIOBFB / 99% ------=_NextPart_000_00EF_01CDEE75.14B9AEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Tim,
 
The 235 airframe gross weight was subsequently (1998) raised to = 1,500 lbs.=20 on take-off and 1,400 lbs. on landing.
 
...A friend of mine later bought that very = same 235=20 kit and still suffers........
 
What is your friend suffering from?
 
Along with the 235, I would surmise that there = may not be=20 very many 320's and 360's that are not exceeding the factory = gross=20 weight numbers.
 
The 320/360 is only 1" wider than the 235 = airframe. =20 A little taller yes, but if you are 6 foot whatever, then maybe you need = a=20 Legacy where there is even more headroom (and even more fuel=20 capacity).  
 
Along with Bill's post, I think the 235 is = getting a bad=20 rap on the forum.
 
I'm with Randy; a 235 with Lyc. 320 is very = fine.  It keeps up with the best of them and has relatively = low fuel=20 burn.  Take-off GPH is 11.2, cruise fuel burn is anywhere you want = to make=20 it from 6 to 9 GPH.
 
Gary Edwards
235/320
Medford, Oregon
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, = 2013 8:01=20 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Purchase = Advice=20 LNC2

Purchase a 235 , ending at $50k=20
Enjoy 160KTAS at 6gph.  =

Now,=20 considering $70k on a good 320/360
enjoy 190KTAS at 9gph, and a bit = more room=20 and better climb.

My question is, to most of you is $20k worth = the=20 room, performance, yet higher fuel flow?
 
Don=B4t forget:
Gross weight 235 =3D 1490 = lbs.
Gross weight 320/360 MKI =3D 1640 = lbs.
Fross weight 320/360 MKII =3D 1790=20 lbs.
 
These numbers might be the most = important=20 reason to find a good 320/360 MKII.
 
I considered a 235 vs. a 320/360 kit = back in=20 2003. The price difference was some USD 5.000,-.
Don Gordon talked me out of the 235 = kit when I=20 visited his hangar, and I am glad he did (thank you Don = !!!)
 
A friend of mine later bought that = very same 235=20 kit and still suffers........
 
Anyway, I started building the = 360MKII in 2003.=20 Back then, a good 9 years and 30-some pounds ago, I realized that the = 1490=20 lbs. gross weight would not do. I now realize that I should have = bought a=20 Legacy for the extra payload. - Or maybe an = AN-2......
 
Anyway, the 320/360MKII is well worth = the extra=20 20k in my opinion. In fact it is probably better than the Legacy = because of=20 the Lycoming engine. It also looks better. Ooh, and don=B4t forget = that you are=20 going to want a MKII model because of the bigger tail. The big tail is not nearly as dangerous as the small = tail,=20 especially if you plan on doing spins. It also looks = better.
 
Tim Jorgensen
360MKIIOBFB / 99%
 
 
 
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