John

I experienced the same phenominum in an F 86 way back when.  The plane was usually very honest in ACM.  It would fly thru practually any maneuver you could dream of.....EXCEPT for the one time that it just stopped flying.  Wierd feeling.  It just fell for almost 5000 feet. Felt like zero G engine wide open.  Nothing!!!   Started flying again on its own luckily before I ran out of altitude.

Scared the hell out of me. 

I have done stalls in the IV-P.  The strakes I added made the stall more benign and improved the handling but I never fly the plane slow. Ball ALWAYS centered.  Traffic pattern always wide and gentle.   Old but no longer bold......  

Regards, Bill H

On Jan 9, 2013, at 3:56 AM, John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> wrote:

I will second Lynn's comments.  I flew F8U Crusaders in the 60's.  We never stalled the airplane and were cautioned to stay away from that part of the envelope.   It would take a minimum of 10,000 ft. to recover from a spin we were told.  I departed one once  during ACM (air combat maneuvers).  A departure was defined as a high G stall.  It was a very weird feeling.  The airplane stopped flying - G force went to zero or maybe a little negative instantly and felt like the airplane was just floating through the air.  It likely was.  I think I was lucky.  I neutralized the controls and fortunately it returned to normal flight in about a second or two.

It felt a lot like a cat shot off the boat and probably what we trained to do during that maneuver helped me deal with the departure.

Let me just say that folks a lot smarter and wiser than most of us have figured out that some aircraft designs result in sufficiently desirable performance parameters in certain parts of the flight envelope.  These performance characteristics justify high risk of very bad things happening to us if we venture into some other parts of the envelope.  We would be well advised to listen to and heed what they tell us about those aircraft.  Stay away from the coffin corners or risk becoming a statistic.  

If you can't figure out how to fly the airplane without going dangerously near the stall in normal flight then you likely are not a safe pilot to operate a IVP.  

Regards,

John Barrett

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On Jan 7, 2013, at 2:23 PM, "Lynn Farnsworth" <farnsworth@charter.net> wrote:

 

 

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Wolfgang
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:26 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: stalls

 

The bad part about this "stall" discussion is that most people want to stay away from stalls all together. - - - That's ridiculous 

If you want to call yourself a proficient pilot, you must be able to react to most any circumstance, intended or not.

 

Wolfgang,

 

I flew F-100s, F-105s, and F-4s. I was a very proficient pilot in all three aircraft. We DIN NOT stall them and we had ejections seats and parachutes. Your above statement is, IMO, ridiculous.

 

Lynn Farnsworth

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