X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 06:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com ([209.85.160.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6001846 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 20:21:45 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.51; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ro12so594031pbb.10 for ; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:21:09 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.68.218.97 with SMTP id pf1mr203751230pbc.96.1357694469547; Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:21:09 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [10.171.116.127] (mobile-166-147-093-108.mycingular.net. [166.147.93.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s5sm41697876pay.31.2013.01.08.17.21.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Jan 2013 17:21:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fwd: [LML] Re: stalls References: <7C146962-F1C3-45FA-894D-E9E3673A96BC@gmail.com> From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0B9024ED-C6F6-47A9-AA1B-2186E0EE0599 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A523) X-Original-Message-Id: <778FBD2B-4B5D-480D-86FC-4C21F736B535@gmail.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 17:21:01 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-0B9024ED-C6F6-47A9-AA1B-2186E0EE0599 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > I will second Lynn's comments. I flew F8U Crusaders in the 60's. We neve= r stalled the airplane and were cautioned to stay away from that part of the= envelope. It would take a minimum of 10,000 ft. to recover from a spin we= were told. I departed one once during ACM (air combat maneuvers). A depa= rture was defined as a high G stall. It was a very weird feeling. The airp= lane stopped flying - G force went to zero or maybe a little negative instan= tly and felt like the airplane was just floating through the air. It likely= was. I think I was lucky. I neutralized the controls and fortunately it r= eturned to normal flight in about a second or two. >=20 > It felt a lot like a cat shot off the boat and probably what we trained to= do during that maneuver helped me deal with the departure. >=20 > Let me just say that folks a lot smarter and wiser than most of us have fi= gured out that some aircraft designs result in sufficiently desirable perfor= mance parameters in certain parts of the flight envelope. These performance= characteristics justify high risk of very bad things happening to us if we v= enture into some other parts of the envelope. We would be well advised to l= isten to and heed what they tell us about those aircraft. Stay away from th= e coffin corners or risk becoming a statistic. =20 >=20 > If you can't figure out how to fly the airplane without going dangerously n= ear the stall in normal flight then you likely are not a safe pilot to opera= te a IVP. =20 >=20 > Regards, > John Barrett >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 >=20 > On Jan 7, 2013, at 2:23 PM, "Lynn Farnsworth" wro= te: >=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Wo= lfgang >> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 1:26 PM >> To: lml@lancaironline.net >> Subject: [LML] Re: stalls >> =20 >> The bad part about this "stall" discussion is that most people want to st= ay away from stalls all together. - - - That's ridiculous=20 >> If you want to call yourself a proficient pilot, you must be able to reac= t to most any circumstance, intended or not. >> =20 >> Wolfgang, >> =20 >> I flew F-100s, F-105s, and F-4s. I was a very proficient pilot in all thr= ee aircraft. We DIN NOT stall them and we had ejections seats and parachutes= . Your above statement is, IMO, ridiculous. >> =20 >> Lynn Farnsworth >> Super Legacy >> TSIO-550 Powered >> Race #44 --Apple-Mail-0B9024ED-C6F6-47A9-AA1B-2186E0EE0599 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


I will second Lyn= n's comments.  I flew F8U Crusaders in the 60's.  We never st= alled the airplane and were cautioned to stay away from that part of the env= elope.   It would take a minimum of 10,000 ft. to recover from a spin w= e were told.  I departed one once  during ACM (air combat maneuver= s).  A departure was defined as a high G stall.  It was a very wei= rd feeling.  The airplane stopped flying - G force went to zero or mayb= e a little negative instantly and felt like the airplane was just floating t= hrough the air.  It likely was.  I think I was lucky.  I neut= ralized the controls and fortunately it returned to normal flight in about a= second or two.

It felt a lot like a cat shot off t= he boat and probably what we trained to do during that maneuver helped me de= al with the departure.

Let me just say that folks a= lot smarter and wiser than most of us have figured out that some aircraft d= esigns result in sufficiently desirable performance parameters in certain pa= rts of the flight envelope.  These performance characteristics justify h= igh risk of very bad things happening to us if we venture into some other pa= rts of the envelope.  We would be well advised to listen to and heed wh= at they tell us about those aircraft.  Stay away from the coffin corner= s or risk becoming a statistic.  

If you can't= figure out how to fly the airplane without going dangerously near the stall= in normal flight then you likely are not a safe pilot to operate a IVP. &nb= sp;

Regards,
John Barrett

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Sent from my iPad


On Jan 7, 2013,= at 2:23 PM, "Lynn Farnsworth" <farnsworth@charter.net> wrote:

 

 

From: Lancair Ma= iling List [mailto:lml@lancaironlin= e.net] On Behalf Of Wolfgang
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2= 013 1:26 PM
To: lml@lanca= ironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: stalls

 

The bad part about this "stall" discussion is that most= people want to stay away from stalls all together. - - - That's ridiculous&= nbsp;

If yo= u want to call yourself a proficient pilot, you must be able to react to mos= t any circumstance, intended or not.

&nb= sp;

Wolfgan= g,

 

I f= lew F-100s, F-105s, and F-4s. I was a very proficient pilot in all three air= craft. We DIN NOT stall them and we had ejections seats and parachutes. Your= above statement is, IMO, ridiculous.

 

Lynn Farnsworth

Super Legacy

TSIO-550 Powered

Race #44

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