Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #63765
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Subject: The Stall Pall - another perspective
Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 08:34:09 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>

All of the comments on stalls have been fairly stated.  Bear with me and try to understand my perspective.  I will be speaking generally about the 200/300 series Lancairs, but more specifically my own 320.  The 200/300 series are the most optioned/modified kit aircraft you will ever encounter – every one of them is different from any other, including the CG range in various flight configurations, parts locations, engines, props, tail size, fuel distribution and human weight.  Because of that fact, these aircraft are ideal for the installation of an angle of attack (AOA) system that uses upper and lower wing pressures along with pitot/static pressures and therefore adjusts for atmospheric conditions, wing loading and indicated speed.  Some also provide an indication of best glide speed (useful when the engine stops providing thrust).  One drawback is that it is a measurement on only one wing and there are two.

 

Those folks that have had aerobatic training or are ex-military fighter pilots and also fly a lot are certainly capable of enjoying to the maximum the responsiveness and maneuverability of these wee Lancairs.  Stalling their plane, often entering unusual attitudes and performing aerobatics (even remaining inverted if so equipped) is fine in these strongly built bundles of fun.

 

I have arranged my 320 for maximum efficient forward speed (honking Hartzell prop, heavy harmonic damper, pitot fed hi pressure air to the injectors, gap seals, internal trim control – no draggy tabs, etc.) with a somewhat forward biased CG that still gives me complete small elevator authority in all useful flight regimes.

 

The only stalls that interest me are those that have occurred at slow speeds and “close” to the ground (i.e. on approach, in the pattern, during turns, upon takeoff and climb out, etc.).  Why?, because they almost always end in death.  The FAA classifies these as loss of control but they seem mystical to me as they frequently happen to experienced Lancair pilots or those trained in spam cans that maybe don’t respect a slick experimental hi-performance aircraft for what it is.  Reading the NTSB accident files reveals such accidents during S-turns at OSH, departure stalls in a climbing turn, attempted (stretched) off airport landings, flight in the pattern, yada, yada, yada.  All of these were likely unrecoverable because the departures from the intended flight occurred too close to the ground. 

 

These mystic misadventures occurred during a period of slow flight where there is little margin away from the stall AOA.  Slow flight without at least some flaps also leads to a hi AOA, the wing loading is increased in turns, there is a small margin for wind shear, a distraction may result in back pressure on the stick, etc. ????  An IAS of 1.3 times the stall speed is not enough in these planes.  When it goes bad, it goes bad very fast.

 

Perhaps those that have experienced stalls in their 200/300 series might relate their experiences with departure type stalls, clean/dirty stalls from decreasing airspeed in level flight, stalls out of slowing speed turns with and without 1/3 or 2/3 flaps, etc.  Even though you were expecting the stall, how many feet were lost before recovery?  What was the recovery pull out speed and how many more feet would be lost if the reaction time was 1 or 2 seconds longer caused by a surprise stall?  Was there a difference when the plane was loaded up vs light (one or two people, full or lo fuel)?

 

Fred detailed the characteristics of the IVs and some of them are similar to the 200/300 series.  High wing loading (weight/70 sqft for the 300 series – around 22 #/sqft, the wings utilize extensive Laminar flow, etc.  But, there are others factors that are unique to this series, especially the reflexed flaps and that dirty wings result in increased drag but not a loss of lift.

 

I don’t practice stalls because there are so many types at slow speeds that will kill me (I only fly 2 speeds – cruise and near the airport).  Any time I am not at cruise speed I am extra alert – I do not even like the mushiness of the controls when in level flight practicing emergency gear drops at 87 KIAS, using 1/3 flaps to keep the nose down.  I like a circular arc when flying from downwind to final for adjustments throughout the turn.  I reject requests from the tower for a close in downwind or to make the turn tighter.

 

You folks fly’m the way you want – I don’t mind being called a wuss or being urged by a pleasant female voice - “Angle! Angle! Push!” I am more alarmed (no pun) when I hear a mellow voice announcing “Traffic.”

 

Blue Skies,

 

Scott Krueger AKA Grayhawk

 

 

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