X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:44:42 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-yw0-f52.google.com ([209.85.213.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTPS id 5720462 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:16:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.52; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by yhpp61 with SMTP id p61so4773260yhp.25 for ; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.179.34 with SMTP id g34mr7081181anp.73.1345490128490; Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([67.8.19.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f6sm14853924ann.15.2012.08.20.12.15.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 20 Aug 2012 12:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=5BLML=5D_Pictures_from_Cylinder_no2=85?= =?windows-1252?Q?=2E=2Ewhat_the_heck=3F=3F?= From: Paul Miller In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 15:15:26 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) Hi Ronald, I agree with another poster, I don't really see the issue = here. If an EGT starts going wild I wouldn't pull a jug and I = certainly wouldn't change the engine. Deposits are normally found so = that isn't a reason either. TCM has a large section on checking for = problems starting with the EGT probes and going from there. To pull = cylinders first and swap out to an Allison makes less sense than trying = to verify the EGT issue in the first place. Swapping a probe comes to = mind and is somewhat less expensive and doesn't require surgery on the = patient. And they recommended pulling cylinders based on what? And how = many hours on the engine because now you have to be absolutely sure the = crankcase halves don't fret and cause more problems. Been there, done = that. Make sure they check the SBs on that subject before you fly = again. Paul Legacy (and two dogs with lots of brown deposits) On 2012-08-19, at 9:36 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote: > Hello guys >=20 > Well, this is one the reasons why I am thinking of replacing my engine = with a turbine lol >=20 > Anyway, we are scratching our heads here. We found (looks like lead) = deposits inside the cylinder and on top of the pistons. It is pretty = soft, some parts are harder (probably baked) and you can actually take a = harder sponge and start cleaning lol >=20 > But why?? Why did this happened?? I mean I am thinking I am always = driving my engine according to the 'gospels', Full rich in climb and = take off, never over powering (using MAP 31-34 in climb), then level = off, go back to MAP29, lean to 16.5, bump it up to MAP31-32 with approx. = 18GPH/2500 RPM >=20 > Always checking for CHT, (cruise temps are approx. 370), TIT=3D1610 >=20 > So.....then suddenly my EGT (not CHT) starting to act up, and showing = a HOT warning, me adding mixture to full rich, EGT back to normal, this = happened twice on the same cylinder, so I requested a borescope and = found this.....so we pulled the jug. >=20 > Now I can pull them all, clean them all, and wait for the next time?? = Why could something like this happen? (I even heard someone telling me = that I was leaning too much??) >=20 > Any idea ?? >=20 > Thanks -- Ronald >=20 > ps Pict 3 showed some of the stuff that we were able to scrape off, = and in the upper left corner you see the hot spots, they are colored but = the 'skin' feels the same, so it looks like material was coming off or = burned in, but it is not, it is the deposit on top.=20 >=20