X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 10:07:21 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5400138 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:16:59 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.64; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JcLQRSteuiaM0jzeds5GwM00/PCgvACgxT9nuMIB8xUifCEsSi6vPUhokFuR2cHj; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.20.44.47] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Ry28F-0002PH-IQ for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:16:23 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-32-1054748769 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: 4P X-Original-Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:16:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <0EE99AD6-72E2-4F98-A243-5703E80B0CBB@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940818d8dba76a0a7a7046a46f7048a75e0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.20.44.47 --Apple-Mail-32-1054748769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Jeff, can you elaborate? On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Jeff Edwards wrote: The bellows was the original design. The issue is not bellows or = pressurization but is one of aileron system design. AvSafe=20 Jeff Edwards 314.308.6719 mobile 636.532.5638 office Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:24 AM, John Hafen wrote: > I'm fine I'm sure. It's just more sensitive in pitch than roll. I'm = used to it and don't think about it any more. But when I let other = pilots fly, it throws them off a little. >=20 > Just wondered if there was some new fangled thing to equalize the = forces. =20 >=20 > The stick doesn't get any stiffer as I gain altitude. So I'm sure I'm = fine. >=20 > Thanks. Happy VDay to you! >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Feb 14, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Craig Berland. wrote: >=20 > Yes, my plane has similar traits. I have attached a picture of the = =93new=94 kit aileron seal and a rubber bellows which I think will fix = the problem. I have purchased the bellows but have not got around to = installing them. A lot of IV-P drivers with the new flat plate sliding = seal have complained about high aileron stick force. > Craig Berland > N7VG >=20 >=20 > I just purchased a 4P > It only has 120 hours on it, so still in the debugging stage > I took it up 10000 feet and when I pressured it the ailerons got = really > heave and stiff that even the auto pilot would not control it > While descending the Controlls became gradually lighter and normal > Anybody had the same experience? > =20 > Tony Ketelaars > =20 >=20 >=20 > <100_2625.jpeg>-- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >=20 --Apple-Mail-32-1054748769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Jeff, = can you elaborate?

On Feb 16, 2012, at 8:08 AM, Jeff = Edwards wrote:

The bellows was the original design. The issue = is not bellows or pressurization but is one of aileron system =  design.

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On Feb 15, 2012, at 7:24 AM, John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net> = wrote:

I'm fine = I'm sure.  It's just more sensitive in pitch than roll.  I'm = used to it and don't think about it any more.  But when I let other = pilots fly, it throws them off a little.

Just = wondered if there was some new fangled thing to equalize the forces. =  

The stick doesn't get any stiffer as I = gain altitude.  So I'm sure I'm = fine.

Thanks.  Happy VDay to = you!



On Feb 14, = 2012, at 11:12 AM, Craig Berland. wrote:

Yes, my plane has similar traits. I have attached a = picture of the =93new=94 kit aileron seal and a rubber bellows which I = think will fix the problem.  I have purchased the bellows but have = not got around to installing them. A lot of IV-P drivers with the new = flat plate sliding seal have complained about high aileron stick = force.
Craig Berland
N7VG



 I just purchased a 4P
 It only = has 120 hours on it, so still in the debugging stage
 I took it = up 10000 feet and when I pressured it the ailerons got = really
 heave and stiff that even the auto pilot would not = control it
 While descending the Controlls became gradually = lighter and normal
 Anybody had the same = experience?
 
 Tony = Ketelaars
 

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