X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 11:33:59 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPS id 5392905 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:26:47 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.52; envelope-from=bbreen@cableone.net Received: by lagy4 with SMTP id y4so3129879lag.25 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:26:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.133.229 with SMTP id pf5mr8679723lab.18.1329049567852; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:26:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.21.133 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:26:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 06:26:07 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Tempest spark plugs From: Berni Breen X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042ef5bb6176a004b8c377fa X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQljsZ/14/5dyVVyxgXWxLZhfOrslqjwBsbFflwu8Kv4IZMph/Q7onfN3BO92GUQfz8GhKcq --f46d042ef5bb6176a004b8c377fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Walter: Is that recommendation (fine wire) for Turbo Normalized as well as Turbo Charged? On Saturday, February 11, 2012, Colyn Case wrote: > Lorn, you must have missed this. > I've included an alternate link to what Ron put in because I couldn't get that to work. > This is a very interesting read. > The problem was actually found on Champion plugs. > TAT is recommending Champion massives. It looks to me like TAT likes the 29 heat range and that Tempest doesn't make one of those. > I'll seek clarification from Walter. > Other very interesting stuff in this article: pictures of affected cylinders; pictures of the monitor trace; what to do if you see that kind of a trace in flight. > http://www.taturbo.com/TATSR22-SB11-05%20fine%20wire%20spark%20plugs%20initial%20release%20sept%2023%202011.pdf > > Begin forwarded message: > From: Ron Laughlin > Date: February 9, 2012 10:29:21 AM EST > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Tempest spark plugs > Reply-To: "Lancair Mailing List" > > Don't know if anyone brought this up yet but Tornado Alley Turbos has > recently issued an "mandatory" service bulletin on fine wire plugs. > Apparently they are more prone to insulator cracks than the massives. > When the insulation falls off they turn into "glow plugs" and can lead > to a detonation event. I think George has documented this. Here's the > SB: > > > > Ron > > > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > > The fine wire plugs are pretty darn durable. Mine are > > the Unison (now tempest) ones. I find that they're easier > > to clean with the walnut chip blaster because without the > > massive side electrodes, it's much easier to get down in > > them to clean them. They run real well for me. For my > > dollar, I'll go Tempest fine wire for sure. There's nothing > > magical about the Champions, and in fact you're just > > sticking with something older at that point when there is > > "new improved" available. The resistors alone are a good > > reason to switch. > > FWIW, I did the same thing with oil filters. After buying > > 2 each of Champion, Kelly, and Tempest, I now only buy > > Tempest oil filters. The Kelly filters were just too > > flimsy. The champion are higher price with lower > > quality features. > > Tim > > On 2/8/2012 7:05 AM, Art Jensen wrote: > > Lorn, > > Talked with Linda today. Still don't know the benefits of using fine > > wire (Iridium) versus massive other than price. Champion massive are > > $26.95 versus Tempest massive at $22.75. Champion fine wire (Iridium) > > $89.95 versus Tempest fine wire (Iridum) at $49.50. These prices are > > from Aircraft Spruce. > > I like the idea of the center electrode and resistor being fused > > together as one piece. That new design is found in both types of plugs > > made by Tempest. The price difference between the two types of plugs > > should be no factor since the Fine wire (Iridium) are supposed to last > > 1000 hours or more than the massive. > > According to Linda, the platinum plugs are no longer being manufactured. > > I have a call in to tech. Support at Champion but have not heard back > > from them yet. > > Art Jensen > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From: * Lorn > --f46d042ef5bb6176a004b8c377fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walter:

Is that recommendation (fine wire) for Turbo Normalized as w= ell as Turbo Charged?

On Saturday, February 11, 2012, Colyn Case <= ;colyncase@earthlink.net>= wrote:
> Lorn, =A0 you must have missed this.
> I've included an alte= rnate link to what Ron put in because I couldn't get that to work.
&= gt; This is a very interesting read.
> The problem was actually found= on Champion plugs.
> TAT is recommending Champion massives. =A0 It looks to me like TAT lik= es the 29 heat range and that Tempest doesn't make one of those.
>= ; I'll seek clarification from Walter.
> Other very interesting s= tuff in this article: =A0pictures of affected cylinders; pictures of the mo= nitor trace; what to do if you see that kind of a trace in flight.
> http://www.taturbo.co= m/TATSR22-SB11-05%20fine%20wire%20spark%20plugs%20initial%20release%20sept%= 2023%202011.pdf
>
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: Ron Laughlin <ronlaughlin@gmail.com>
> Da= te: February 9, 2012 10:29:21 AM EST
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] Re: Tempest spark plugs
> Reply-To: "Lancair= Mailing List" <lml@lancai= ronline.net>
>
> Don't know if anyone brought this u= p yet but Tornado Alley Turbos has
> recently issued an "mandatory" service bulletin on fine wire= plugs.
> Apparently they are more prone to insulator cracks than the= massives.
> When the insulation falls off they turn into "glow = plugs" and can lead
> to a detonation event. I think George has documented this. Here's = the
> SB:
>
> <TATSR22-SB11-05 fine wire spark plugs i= nitial release sept 23 2011.pdf>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
>
> The fine w= ire plugs are pretty darn durable. =A0Mine are
>
> the Unison (= now tempest) ones. =A0I find that they're easier
>
> to clean with the walnut chip blaster because without the
&= gt;
> massive side electrodes, it's much easier to get down in>
> them to clean them. =A0They run real well for me. =A0For my >
> dollar, I'll go Tempest fine wire for sure. =A0There's= nothing
>
> magical about the Champions, and in fact you'r= e just
>
> sticking with something older at that point when the= re is
>
> "new improved" available. =A0The resistors alone are= a good
>
> reason to switch.
>
> FWIW, I did the s= ame thing with oil filters. =A0After buying
>
> 2 each of Champ= ion, Kelly, and Tempest, I now only buy
>
> Tempest oil filters. =A0The Kelly filters were just too
>= ;
> flimsy. =A0The champion are higher price with lower
>
&g= t; quality features.
>
> Tim
>
> On 2/8/2012 7:05 A= M, Art Jensen wrote:
>
> Lorn,
>
> Talked with Linda today. Still don't= know the benefits of using fine
>
> wire (Iridium) versus mass= ive other than price. Champion massive are
>
> $26.95 versus Te= mpest massive at $22.75. Champion fine wire (Iridium)
>
> $89.95 versus Tempest fine wire (Iridum) at $49.50. These pric= es are
>
> from Aircraft Spruce.
>
> I like the ide= a of the center electrode and resistor being fused
>
> together= as one piece. That new design is found in both types of plugs
>
> made by Tempest. The price difference between the two types of= plugs
>
> should be no factor since the Fine wire (Iridium) ar= e supposed to last
>
> 1000 hours or more than the massive.
>
> According to Linda, the platinum plugs are no longer being man= ufactured.
>
> I have a call in to tech. Support at Champion bu= t have not heard back
>
> from them yet.
>
> Art Je= nsen
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------= ------------------
>
> *From: * Lorn
> --f46d042ef5bb6176a004b8c377fa--