X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:50:50 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTP id 5391535 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:33:22 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.70; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jdY6Ku21Ydl/ZNkzj72c6ErhgiyxmbEWj2+VLd8rrpSMKBTjJbSW/ku99b9Lj8Nv; h=Received:From:Content-Type:Subject:Date:References:To:Message-Id:Mime-Version:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.20.44.47] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Rw0tU-00048V-Ax for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:32:49 -0500 From: Colyn Case Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-127-573333359 Subject: Fwd: [LML] Re: Tempest spark plugs X-Original-Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:32:47 -0500 References: X-Original-To: "lml@lancaironline.net List" X-Original-Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940f39adc8630a34301b1f33d7fb0668d42350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.20.44.47 --Apple-Mail-127-573333359 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lorn, you must have missed this. I've included an alternate link to what Ron put in because I couldn't = get that to work. This is a very interesting read. The problem was actually found on Champion plugs. TAT is recommending Champion massives. It looks to me like TAT likes = the 29 heat range and that Tempest doesn't make one of those. I'll seek clarification from Walter. Other very interesting stuff in this article: pictures of affected = cylinders; pictures of the monitor trace; what to do if you see that = kind of a trace in flight. = http://www.taturbo.com/TATSR22-SB11-05%20fine%20wire%20spark%20plugs%20ini= tial%20release%20sept%2023%202011.pdf Begin forwarded message: From: Ron Laughlin Date: February 9, 2012 10:29:21 AM EST To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Tempest spark plugs Reply-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Don't know if anyone brought this up yet but Tornado Alley Turbos has recently issued an "mandatory" service bulletin on fine wire plugs. Apparently they are more prone to insulator cracks than the massives. When the insulation falls off they turn into "glow plugs" and can lead to a detonation event. I think George has documented this. Here's the SB: Ron On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tim Olson wrote: > The fine wire plugs are pretty darn durable. Mine are > the Unison (now tempest) ones. I find that they're easier > to clean with the walnut chip blaster because without the > massive side electrodes, it's much easier to get down in > them to clean them. They run real well for me. For my > dollar, I'll go Tempest fine wire for sure. There's nothing > magical about the Champions, and in fact you're just > sticking with something older at that point when there is > "new improved" available. The resistors alone are a good > reason to switch. >=20 > FWIW, I did the same thing with oil filters. After buying > 2 each of Champion, Kelly, and Tempest, I now only buy > Tempest oil filters. The Kelly filters were just too > flimsy. The champion are higher price with lower > quality features. >=20 > Tim >=20 > On 2/8/2012 7:05 AM, Art Jensen wrote: >>=20 >> Lorn, >>=20 >> Talked with Linda today. Still don't know the benefits of using fine >> wire (Iridium) versus massive other than price. Champion massive are >> $26.95 versus Tempest massive at $22.75. Champion fine wire (Iridium) >> $89.95 versus Tempest fine wire (Iridum) at $49.50. These prices are >> from Aircraft Spruce. >>=20 >> I like the idea of the center electrode and resistor being fused >> together as one piece. That new design is found in both types of = plugs >> made by Tempest. The price difference between the two types of plugs >> should be no factor since the Fine wire (Iridium) are supposed to = last >> 1000 hours or more than the massive. >>=20 >> According to Linda, the platinum plugs are no longer being = manufactured. >>=20 >> I have a call in to tech. Support at Champion but have not heard back >> from them yet. >>=20 >> Art Jensen >>=20 >>=20 >> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From: * Lorn H Olsen ; >> *To: * ; >> *Subject: * [LML] Re: Tempest spark plugs >> *Sent: * Tue, Feb 7, 2012 5:28:43 PM >>=20 >>=20 >> Art, >>=20 >> Iridium spark plugs will last for 2,000 hours. With the Champion = plugs, >> at 500 to 800 hours, you will either have to buy massive plugs to = swap >> the resisters or buy new iridium plugs. I went to the junk yard and >> pulled good resisters out of used massive plugs. The Tempest plug >> resisters will stay good for the life of the plug. >>=20 >> Other than the resisters, you will not be able to tell the difference >> between the iridium plugs. Make sure that you don't get the older >> platinum type. >>=20 >> To buy: >>=20 >> For good service with spark plugs call Linda Lou, Inc. in Memphis, = Tn. >> All Linda sells are plugs. She has replaced dropped plugs for me in = the >> past. Linda also gave me the number of a Champion rep. I will talk to >> him in the near future and see if resisters or replacements are >> available for the high resistance Champion plugs. >>=20 >> 800-824-9912 >>=20 >> Her prices for plugs are: >>=20 >> Tempest: $51.00 >> Champion: $89.95 >>=20 >> Lorn >>=20 >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote: >>=20 >> > From: Art Jensen > >>=20 >> > Date: February 6, 2012 7:50:13 PM EST >> > >> > All, >> > >> > Would like to hear from everyone using the tempest spark plugs. = Are >> you satisfied with them? Do you think they are better than Champion, = and >> why? Are you using the massive or fine wire? Help me make an informed >> decision. >> > >> > I am getting ready to order a new set of plugs. I currently use = the >> RHB32E by Champion in my IO-550-N. I have no complaints with these = plugs >> but wonder if the Tempest with their one piece resistor design is = better >> as their ad would suggest. >> > >> > Thank you for your input >> > >> > Art Jensen >>=20 >> -- >> Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst >> DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us = >>=20 >> LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,800 hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> For archives and unsub >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html >>=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Apple-Mail-127-573333359 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Lorn, =   you must have missed this.

I've included an = alternate link to what Ron put in because I couldn't get that to = work.
This is a very interesting read.
The problem = was actually found on Champion plugs.
TAT is recommending = Champion massives.   It looks to me like TAT likes the 29 heat = range and that Tempest doesn't make one of those.
I'll seek = clarification from Walter.

Other very = interesting stuff in this article:  pictures of affected cylinders; = pictures of the monitor trace; what to do if you see that kind of a = trace in flight.

http://www.taturbo.com/TATS= R22-SB11-05%20fine%20wire%20spark%20plugs%20initial%20release%20sept%2023%= 202011.pdf

Begin forwarded message:

From: Ron Laughlin = <ronlaughlin@gmail.com>
Date: February 9, 2012 10:29:21 AM EST
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = Tempest spark plugs
Reply-To: "Lancair Mailing List" = <lml@lancaironline.net>

Don't know if = anyone brought this up yet but Tornado Alley Turbos has
recently = issued an "mandatory" service bulletin on fine wire plugs.
Apparently = they are more prone to insulator cracks than the massives.
When the = insulation falls off they turn into "glow plugs" and can lead
to a = detonation event. I think George has documented this. Here's = the
SB:

<TATSR22-SB11-05 fine wire spark plugs initial = release sept 23 2011.pdf>

Ron



On Wed, Feb 8, = 2012 at 11:37 AM, Tim Olson <Tim@myrv10.com> wrote:
The fine wire plugs are pretty darn durable.  Mine = are
the Unison (now tempest) = ones.  I find that they're easier
to clean with the walnut chip blaster because without = the
massive side electrodes, = it's much easier to get down in
them to clean them.  They run real well for me. =  For my
dollar, I'll go = Tempest fine wire for sure.  There's = nothing
magical about the = Champions, and in fact you're just
sticking with something older at that point when there = is
"new improved" available. =  The resistors alone are a good
reason to switch.

FWIW, I did the = same thing with oil filters.  After = buying
2 each of Champion, = Kelly, and Tempest, I now only buy
Tempest oil filters.  The Kelly filters were just = too
flimsy.  The champion = are higher price with lower
quality features.

Tim

On 2/8/2012 = 7:05 AM, Art Jensen wrote:

Lorn,

Talked with Linda today. Still = don't know the benefits of using = fine
wire (Iridium) versus massive other than price. Champion = massive are
$26.95 versus Tempest massive at = $22.75. Champion fine wire = (Iridium)
$89.95 versus Tempest fine wire = (Iridum) at $49.50. These prices = are
from Aircraft = Spruce.

I like the idea of the center = electrode and resistor being = fused
together as one piece. That new design is found in both = types of plugs
made by Tempest. The price = difference between the two types of = plugs
should be no factor since the Fine wire (Iridium) are = supposed to last
1000 hours or more than the = massive.

According to Linda, the platinum = plugs are no longer being = manufactured.

I have a call in to tech. = Support at Champion but have not heard = back
from them yet.

Art = Jensen


------------------------------------------------------------= ------------
*From: * Lorn H Olsen = <lorn@dynacomm.us>;
*To: * = <lml@lancaironline.net>;
*Subject: * [LML] Re: Tempest = spark plugs
*Sent: * Tue, Feb 7, 2012 = 5:28:43 PM


Art,

Iridium spark plugs will last = for 2,000 hours. With the Champion = plugs,
at 500 to 800 hours, you will either have to buy massive = plugs to swap
the resisters or buy new iridium = plugs. I went to the junk yard = and
pulled good resisters out of used massive plugs. The = Tempest plug
resisters will stay good for the = life of the plug.

Other than the resisters, you = will not be able to tell the = difference
between the iridium plugs. Make = sure that you don't get the = older
platinum type.

To = buy:

For good service with spark = plugs call Linda Lou, Inc. in Memphis, = Tn.
All Linda sells are plugs. She has replaced dropped plugs = for me in the
past. Linda also gave me the = number of a Champion rep. I will talk = to
him in the near future and see if resisters or = replacements are
available for the high = resistance Champion plugs.

800-824-9912

Her prices for plugs = are:

Tempest: = $51.00
Champion: $89.95

Lorn

On Feb 7, 2012, at 6:00 AM, = Lancair Mailing List wrote:

 > From: Art Jensen = <flycassutts@yahoo.com = <javascript:return>>

 > Date: February 6, = 2012 7:50:13 PM EST
 >
 > = All,
 >
 > Would like to hear = from everyone using the tempest spark plugs. = Are
you satisfied with them? Do you think they are better than = Champion, and
why? Are you using the massive = or fine wire? Help me make an = informed
decision.
 >
 > I am getting ready to = order a new set of plugs. I currently use = the
RHB32E by Champion in my IO-550-N. I have no complaints = with these plugs
but wonder if the Tempest with = their one piece resistor design is = better
as their ad would = suggest.
 >
 > Thank you for your = input
 >
 > Art = Jensen

--
Lorn H. 'Feathers' Olsen, MAA, = ASMEL, ASES, Comm, Inst
DynaComm, Corp., 248-345-0500, = mailto:lorn@dynacomm.us = <javascript:return>

LNC2, FB90/92, O-320-D1F, 1,800 = hrs, N31161, Y47, SE Michigan


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