X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:32:41 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([98.139.52.226] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with SMTP id 5358182 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:04:11 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.52.226; envelope-from=mattinlosangeles@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.52.189] by nm29.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.157] by tm2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 20:03:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1040.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Jan 2012 20:03:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 847636.1158.bm@omp1040.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 65480 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Jan 2012 20:03:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=12ZqkAs/J2dfXbWNTg0TqX4C9FZ7xEdURzCr08X81mX/bGfHTica2ej6spxysZqW8jCr9haLG6Cxh9Sg2C9CDgn3xO3kNQhL048OLbCCKX3McEg6KldqMkOMXlKzVBv+4Cb2/QjOsitpTlvWkLS/INddz9neGetkR9ae3sI9vkc=; X-YMail-OSG: 2YTh594VM1n_rK53lmLi075zAZITU.i_lP62xE5_l32.8Fa amlfauZimnqZ0tuLkteJjWfoSMJFfmOl6LZxOqYpWn8o44R_xxsJvoamtOZw t5LCm6Cep8Ev2b9VESdSsF7QMfAVT33Eq699vsd323MZ5Fzh5B5VCpATdWhg n74CZKUX22l8l6IXJG5PcHdhprsJkJJAuHS1lGjHrtlLe3enRqeLmN9obyVx Xhbn5e1JmzrwV_z56zKiHtxndccSk2FqkmpSj2CXw0FTIBf7jLXGp85LtioG 4CTb4GeAlqwTYLmHxflIqFQufn8ahkygXV8hVZ3Gm1ISdeJO2bdHxRC2egVx pNZ3SVj4xk3dknm5APrCZXjmoIUZYNyQZMDMamIUyVFxNX._LQgN7kzU0JM1 mYGXzm0o0Ff4BJaPSzay3kiCBXv7abtmqTAZujZMYhtgV.4azRjVIDwTCd0Y jmMgzdPld1WrbTnJaqMa6j6bNFFl7_QkFBFnEGfer0u5JpQF5sTe1FG8- Received: from [63.110.89.212] by web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:03:34 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.116.331537 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1327089814.42436.YahooMailNeo@web160905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 12:03:34 -0800 (PST) From: Matt losangeles Reply-To: Matt losangeles Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1879531-2130679875-1327089814=:42436" ---1879531-2130679875-1327089814=:42436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't a wet pump something that if it does fail, could destroy the internal= s of your engine? I am assuming it uses engine oil, I know nothing about th= em.=A0 At least a dry pump doesn't cost you an engine overhaul.=0A=A0=0AMat= t=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: thomas williams =0ATo: lml@lancaironline.net =0ASent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:3= 6 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Steam Gauge Backup=0A=0A=0Aa wet vacuum pump is V= ERY reliable compared to the dry pumps. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________________= ____________=0AFrom: Colyn Case =0ATo: lml@lancair= online.net =0ASent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:42 AM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: S= team Gauge Backup=0A=0Ayou made a leap there.=0AThere are a variety of fact= ors that can take out your primary PFD, only one of which is lightning.=0A.= ..and these are things you can't do much about other than fly VFR.=0AThe or= iginal question was, if you are going to have a backup, what kind of backup= is preferred.=0A=0AI don't have the parachute yet.=A0 sorry.=0A=0AOn Jan 2= 0, 2012, at 8:06 AM, pete@leapfrogventures.com wrote:=0A=0ASo do all of you= guys who are saying those without spinning mass backups are "dead men walk= ing" have all of the following safety features in their planes:=0A=0A- Acti= ve traffic system=0A- Satellite weather=0A- Active terrain avoidance=0A- De= -icing system=0A- Halon fire extinguisher for the engine compartment=0A- Ai= rframe parachute (RDD has installed one in an ES-P and can do the same in a= ny IV or ES)=0A=0AI can go on and on.=A0 Flying is a series of measured ris= ks.=A0 I find it hard to believe there have been more fatal accidents resul= ting from planes getting hit by lightning while in IMC than by mid-air coll= isions, inadvertent flight into bad weather, CFIT, engine fires, airframe m= echanical issues, or icing.=A0 Unless you have installed every available sa= fety system on your plane, then I think you need to tone down the certainty= and authority of your opinion.=0A=0AAs some famous person once said, every= one is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.=0A=0APete= =0A=0A=0A--=0AFor archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists= /lml/List.html=0A=0A=0A--=0AFor archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironlin= e.net:81/lists/lml/List.html ---1879531-2130679875-1327089814=:42436 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Isn't a wet pump something that if it doe= s fail, could destroy the internals of your engine? I am assuming it uses e= ngine oil, I know nothing about them.  At least a dry pump doesn't cos= t you an engine overhaul.
 
Matt

From:= thomas williams <tfsent@att.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 11:36 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: Steam Gaug= e Backup

a wet vacuum pump is VERY reliable compared to the dry pumps.


From:= Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 4:42 AMSubject: [LML] Re: Steam G= auge Backup

you made a leap there.
There are a varie= ty of factors that can take out your primary PFD, only one of which is ligh= tning.
...and these are things you can't do much about other than fly VF= R.
The original question was, if you are going to have a backup, what ki= nd of backup is preferred.

I don't have the parachute yet.  sorry.
On Jan 20, 2012, at 8:06 AM, pete@leapfrogventures.com wrote:

So do all of you guys who= are saying those without spinning mass backups are "dead men walking" have= all of the following safety features in their planes:

- Active traf= fic system
- Satellite weather
- Active terrain avoidance
- De-ici= ng system
- Halon fire extinguisher for the engine compartment
- Airf= rame parachute (RDD has installed one in an ES-P and can do the same in any= IV or ES)

I can go on and on.  Flying is a series of measured = risks.  I find it hard to believe there have been more fatal accidents= resulting from planes getting hit by lightning while in IMC than by mid-ai= r collisions, inadvertent flight into bad weather, CFIT, engine fires, airframe mechanical issues, or icing.  Unless you have installed ever= y available safety system on your plane, then I think you need to tone down= the certainty and authority of your opinion.

As some famous person = once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own fa= cts.

Pete


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