X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5186493 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:44:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.66; envelope-from=panelmaker@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AnC0wLsto5GazG03A8VgWBm0eaxu7LC5cHhf7b7PEkvGqV1Dv9IafvMpYypSKwCf; h=Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.173.71.64] (helo=COMPUTER1) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1RMLvS-0000pw-DQ for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:43:26 -0400 From: "Jim Nordin" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: Lancair performance X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:43:27 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <9E9CF692E178451D9A6B9736DA558653@COMPUTER1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcybBCWbOKRL6j6mTQ2crbcrZKCtSQAAFsog In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-ELNK-Trace: bdfc62829fd2a80cc8ad50643b1069f8239a348a220c26092038f062eb5c4ad210381dac87f5bde6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.173.71.64 What a great observation. An older model slows and a newer model speeds up. I wonder if a desire to "guide" prospective buyers has anything to do with it. 60 mph slower on a model they may not want to continue producing (selling/supporting) versus a gain of 21mph for one they want to promote. Isn't that the reason to have good marketing? It's not bait and switch - it's just polishing the new stuff and letting the older stuff wane. I assume the older model had the same power plant then as advertised today. I don't see this any different than old model mattresses (or similar) going on sale to get rid of a line in favor of a perhaps more profitable (many improved attributes of course) new line. Caveat emptor. The problem with moving forward (sometimes) is something we've seen with the 320/360 model. Support is thin(er). This change is not necessarily a bad thing. It's just business ... moving forward as it were. Stand still and sink or move forward and stay afloat. But I'd sure like to see Lancair offer real "build in your garage" models that can be afforded by many more than can be with the current models offered. Bring back the 320 where you can build an honest 200+mph machine that has a glass panel and not spend more than $100k or build it with a used Lycoming and steam gauges with mama sewn upholstery / zolatone interior for $60k (maybe less for those with good scrounging skills). Those days are not gone in the amateur built arena. Of course every business model is different. Some targeting the upscale with high end products, some targeting the masses with lower end products. And in the case of the RV series, a fine product for a reasonable cost. Flies fast, efficient - I don't like the seats but hey, everybody to their own. And they still support the original RV-3 and still sell it! Then there's integrity. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:11 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Lancair performance When I was reading through my December 11 kit plane magazine I came across their 2012 kit aircraft directory where they give an overview over all the airplane kits available today. It just happened that I kept the December magazine from the previous two years since I liked this compressed comparison. One really interesting thing I found was that the Lancair IV changed its speed from 300 kts to 285 mph while the Evolution piston accelerated from 278 mph to 299 mph over the three years. I am really amazed by these marketing engineers and their ability to beat the physics (e.g. designing an airplane with a bigger wing, bigger cabin and higher empty weight and make it even fly faster)..... May be someone can help me out since I don't have a degree in aircraft aerodynamics. -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html