X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:50:07 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5058648 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:56:41 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.67; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PqM0oShL+mDOpx+gTJVS/tRyh9DQ2qaNzS4FgTXCGy1IWvfgzcB3tgOBMxXlBdKN; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [64.223.165.19] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1QjjQl-0003dZ-CX for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:56:07 -0400 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-49801686 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flight Following in SoCal X-Original-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 22:56:06 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <4591954A-D26B-4FB4-A5AD-081EE2110AB8@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940099f90a4eb7af929faca51356dd34cdc350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.223.165.19 --Apple-Mail-10-49801686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii me too On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Jeff Edwards wrote: > Would love to hear it! >=20 > AvSafe=20 > Jeff Edwards > 314.308.6719 mobile > 636.532.5638 office > Jeff.edwards@avsafe.com >=20 > On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:32 AM, "Ron Galbraith" = wrote: >=20 >> If you want to help out the controllers and be assured your flight = shows up in the ATC system (on flightaware and others) then always file = an IFR flight plan even if you plan to go VFR. Just call the = controller and say you have an IFR on file, but you'd like to depart VFR = and have flight following. It's a lot easier for a controller to = depart your flight plan, then change the altitude to VFR than it is to = type in the entire flight plan.=20 >>=20 >> I might do a ATC seminar at the Branson fly-in if there is interest. = (or at OSH).=20 >>=20 >> Ron >>=20 >> =20 >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Craig Berland. >>> Sent: 07/18/11 01:55 PM >>> To: lml@lancaironline.net >>> Subject: [LML] Flight Following in SoCal >>>=20 >>> Rob, >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> I have just the oposite experience. I live in the Phoenix area and = fly to SOCAL at least once a month. I have two trips scheduled this = week. I can regularly get flight following by asking Ground Control or = Clearance Delivery at many SOCAL airports. This is very nice and not = available in Phoenix. I have never entered SOCAL airspace without the = wonderful folks at SOCAL approach helping me out. Getting in and out of = SOCAL IFR can test your patience but it is always very professional as = you state. >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Craig Berland >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> I agree that flight following is a valuable service. However, last = time I asked for it in the Southern California area the controller = responded: "Unable flight following -- multiple targets, all altitudes, = all quadrants -- good luck!"=20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Of course, it was a pleasant Saturday afternoon, I was about ten = miles from Torrance, and it seemed like every airplane in the basin was = up flying. When I flew IFR in my Cessna 150 on a Tuesday morning a = month later I seemed to have the entire airspace to myself.=20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Flight following in SoCal? It's great. Except I can't get it when = I really need it...=20 >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> - Rob Wolf >>>=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >> =20 --Apple-Mail-10-49801686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii me = too

On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Jeff Edwards = wrote:

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On Jul 19, 2011, at 7:32 AM, "Ron Galbraith" <cfi@instructor.net> = wrote:

If you want = to help out the controllers and be assured your flight shows up in the = ATC system (on flightaware and others) then always file an IFR flight = plan even if you plan to go VFR.   Just call the controller = and say you have an IFR on file, but you'd like to depart VFR and have = flight following.   It's a lot easier for a controller to depart = your flight plan, then change the altitude to VFR than it is to type in = the entire flight plan. 
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=20 I agree that flight following is a valuable = service.  However, last time I asked for it in the Southern = California area the controller responded: "Unable flight following -- = multiple targets, all altitudes, all quadrants -- good = luck!" 

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