Lynn,

Well said.

Jeff

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On Apr 20, 2011, at 1:59 PM, "Karen Farnsworth" <farnsworth@charter.net> wrote:

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> William,
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> To each his own, but I see a little more in this than you do. This seems to
> be happening more and more; acting on bad information. The case that drew
> the most attention was the King incident. Handcuffed and treated quite
> rudely.
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> When you stand on you right to not have your airplane searched without a
> warrant they say things like, "if you have nothing to hid why won't you let
> me search"?
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> To me this is part of the trend to allow the government to be all and know
> all.
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> I will tell them, "no warrant, no search".
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> Lynn Farnsworth
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> ________________________________
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> From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> William Wilson
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 08:05
> To: lml@lancaironline.net
> Subject: [LML] Re: beware, you may be searched!
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> Seems pretty standard to me.  They checked out a tip that proved to be
> bogus.  I don't see any rights violations here or anything out of the
> ordinary.
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> The main lesson IMO is that, while there are plenty of cops who abuse power,
> for the most part if you behave in a civilized manner and realize they are
> just trying to do their job, most of them will treat you fairly.  That seems
> to be what happened here.
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> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Bob Rickard <r.rickard@rcginc-us.com>
> wrote:
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> Fellow LML'ers
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> It seems inevitable that the govt will search you at some point.  Just some
> info on what happened to me yesterday, you can hopefully use this to react
> appropriately for your situation.  This is the third incident just at our
> little airport in Missouri of this happening...
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> Bob Rickard
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> IV-P
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> On 18 April, 2011, I filed IFR from KGEU to K1H0 direct, with my wife on
> board.  At 0845L, I departed KGEU VFR and picked up my filed IFR clearance
> to K1H0 at FL210 with ABQ center.  The flight was uneventful and I cancelled
> IFR approximately 10 miles from K1H0 with St. Louis Approach and landed at
> 1443L.  Upon landing and taxi to my hanger (P3) at Creve Coeur Airport, I
> was surrounded by 6 Maryland Heights Police cars and about 10 officers.  I
> exited the plane and was approached by the supervisor and asked if I had any
> identification.  I produced my military ID (I am a LtCol in the Air Force
> Reserve flying F-22's) as well as my driver's license, and asked the
> supervisor what the problem was.  He told me that he got a "tip" from the
> Federal Government that there may be a federal fugitive on board by the name
> of Robert Mcrae.  He wasn't sure of the name and asked me if I knew anyone
> by a name similar to that, to which I answered "no" to all.  He also stated
> that he was surprised to see a woman in the plane with me since his
> informant said there would be two men in the plane.  I inquired as to who
> would give a tip like that, and he was vague.  A this point my wife exited
> the plane and was asked to produce her ID as well and was questioned as to
> what we were doing and where we were going and where we came from.   It was
> apparent to the supervisor pretty quickly that my wife and I were not
> federal fugitives as they ran our ID's, but he asked to search the airplane
> anyway.  I told him that I was aware of my rights and he could not search
> anything without a warrant, and he was quick to add "or your permission" and
> "I could have the dogs come out".  (side note - they don't need a warrant to
> have the dogs check out your aircraft - if the dogs find something and
> indicate, then they have probable cause to search you without a warrant.  If
> the dogs find nothing they cannot search your aircraft until a warrant is
> issued).  I told him that I would play nice, had nothing to hide, and that
> my plan was to take my belongings out of the airplane and put them in my car
> to go home, and I would allow him to see what I took out and visually see
> inside the cockpit and baggage compartment, but I was not allowing a search
> of the airplane.  He agreed to this. I took my 2 pieces of luggage out of
> the back and showed him the contents briefly (not a complete search but
> opened up the zipper and showed clothes on top) as well as the couple of
> vases we had bought in Phoenix and lunch/sodas we had in the cockpit.  They
> saw nothing of interest and returned my wife's ID, but kept mine and made
> further calls.  The supervisor indicated "I'm on overtime, I am outta here"
> and left, but another officer checked with "EPIC" (unsure of the spelling)
> which he told me was an international consortium that traded information on
> travel, etc.  He told me he was aware of my trip earlier this year to Mexico
> and the Cayman Islands (honeymoon cruise) but there was nothing to get me in
> trouble.  He then returned my ID and let us go.
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