Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #57884
From: <marv@lancair.net>
Subject: LNC2 Gear Hydraulics
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 23:02:56 -0400
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Posted for TOM GARDINER <n20087@yahoo.com>:
 
Folks,
  
 I thought I would take some time here to outline my recent experience with
the
 parker oildyne pump so that it would save some of you the same time and
expense
 i have had to deal with recently.  My pump had been sitting in the aircraft
for
 a number of years through the early construction phase without exercise. 
Once I
 began swinging the gear and flying I experienced various issues:
  
  1. Gear would not retract - despite operation of the dump valve 
  2. Gear would not lower unless dump valve was actuated
  3. Pump would screech and make various noises
  4. Pump would turn on and off frequently during flight
  
 After experiencing all of these issues I decided to make it my mission to
learn
 as much about the system and eliminate all of the failure modes.   Lessons
 learned:
  
  1. The pump has many applications in the marine industry for which there is
 some excellent documentation
  2. The two way dump valve supplied with the kit is poor quality and cannot
be
 trusted (can leak internally and externally)
  3. It is a very good idea to install pressure gauges in both up and down
 hydraulic lines
  4. The original pump is slow to raise and lower the gear
  5. Nobody knows more about the equipment than Parker/Oildyne
  6. Heat will cause pressure increases in the lines to the point that the
 pressure switches will drop out
  7. Seals inside the pump will eventually leak through wear and tear
especially
 after sitting for a long period
  8. There are numerous failue modes to the system, the goal is to eliminate
as
 many of them as possible
  
Following 2 instances of not being able to raise my gear in flight I had had
 enough.  After studying all of the related posts on this site I then elected
to
 call Oildyne.  The people there were kind enough to share with me their
 engineering drawings and their recommendation of the correct configuration
for
 the pump internals for the LNC2 application.  Contrary to some of the posts
to
 LML the preferred spool type is a symmetrical one that is centered using two
 additional springs.  The attached drawings provide a good understanding of
how
 the spool, check valves and relief valves work.  Armed with the data  I set
 about modifying my hydraulic system as follows:
  
  1. Removed the original pump adapter from the pump motor - Parker p/n781021
  2. Removed the relief valves from the pump adapter and installed on a new
 adapter - Parker p/n 781047
  3. Replaced the gear pump module for the high output upgrade - Parker p/n
 634218 
  4. Replaced the dump valve with a high quality swagelok 3 way valve that
dumps
 to the tank B-42XHF2=BKB
  5. Replaced one of the pressure switches for another (was replaced under
 warranty - had a 500psi hysteresis)
  6. Installed a small pressure gauge for diagnostic use
  7. Installed a new fluid reservoir. New design does not have the mounting
hole
 in the bottom
 A 781021 can be converted to a 781047 by performing the following steps
  
  1. Remove the asymmetric spool in the pump adapter and replace it with the
 symmetric one along with the two centering springs
  2. Remove center relief valve as shown in drawing - it is unnecessary
  
 Net results:
  
  1. All gear legs move together and at about the same rate
  2. No screeching - sounds smooth with positive cut off - I believe the
center
 relief valve to be responsible for the occasional screeching
 
  3. Emergency dump valve dumps pressure on both sides of the pump to zero
with
 return to the tank
  4. No internal leaks -  Hence no cycling of the pump in flight
  5. 100% reliability on gear operations
 All mods to pump done for $250
  
  
  
 Notes:
  
 To inspect the check valve poppet as a possible leak down cause, remove the
hex
 plug, on whichever side of the power unit is having the problem. Inside there
is
 the spring and the poppet.  Check the rubber face seal of the poppet for any
 chips which might be embedded. On a rare occasion the face seal itself, which
 has a 'stepped' design, may delaminate, which can cause a leak.  When
finished
 doing all this, retorque the hex plug to 450-600 in-lbs.
  
 Parts can be sourced from
 Western Fluid Power, 2759 South 300 West, Suite H, Salt Lake City, Utah
84115.
 Talk to Boyd Ottenstein at 801-486-6500
 
  
 Oildyne Sales contact
 larry.fern@parker.com
 
  
 Tom Gardiner
 LNC2 826CT
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