X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 15:37:46 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.54] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with ESMTP id 4889047 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 03 Mar 2011 08:28:20 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.54; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-85-142-10.mco.bellsouth.net[98.85.142.10]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20110303132743H040014o03e>; Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:27:44 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.85.142.10] From: "Bill Bradburry" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:27:46 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <2BD635BBCD7B4E378C9440C6C0D38210@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01CBD97C.E06DDEA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcvZS4/jiChpMyi+Q52WWELBbqm+RAAWnIsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CBD97C.E06DDEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is the scenario that causes the dust cover to burn? Why is it only the dust cover? What are the sun angles, canopy angles, etc that causes this to happen? What prevents the dust cover from catching on fire and burning the plane to the ground? I understand that this phenomenon happens, but I don't understand anything else about it. Can someone please explain? Bill B _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of randy snarr Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 9:32 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. Gary, I thought of that too. Anything but black reflects in the window. Colors to varying degrees but foil is too much.. Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have tested it and it will not burn or make a mark. I am planning to make some patches for the sides of the dust cover like the elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to glue them down with spray adhesive. I just need a good way to finish the edges so it has a nice clean look. My dust cover is flat black so black carbon fiber may by my answer. Still working on a solution to make it permanent... I will post what I end up doing.. Randy Snarr 235-320 N694RS "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 --- On Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards wrote: From: Gary Edwards Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 AM How about using a patch of Zetex in the areas prone to burning? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: randylsnarr@yahoo.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:19 PM Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wontburn. I have tried to do the same. I really would like a better solution though. Sooner or later it is going to happen again. i just picked up some cloth material that will not burn. I will post my findings to the group if it works. Randy Snarr Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile _____ From: "Gary Edwards" Sender: "Lancair Mailing List" Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:50:35 -0500 To: ReplyTo: "Lancair Mailing List" Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that wont burn. My second re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 hours without a burn mark. Got distracted when a TV camera crew walked up with the camera rolling (my 15 minutes of fame). So, I said, "screw this". I put an EAA sticker over the burn marks. It's been there for 9 years. I try to not park with the sun behind the plane and try to keep the canopy closed. A bit difficult when I pull the plane out of the hanger and it's facing north for taxi. Gary Edwards LNC2 ----- Original Message ----- From: randy snarr To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:13 AM Subject: [LML] Burned dust cover looking for material that wont burn. Everyone has seen the burn marks on your dust cover over the instrument panel from the canopy glass caused by the sun when it hits at the right angle. Mine was really nice. It was covered in a sinthetic black leather. Anyway, I have already recovered it once and tried to be really careful with it. In short, it has about 20 or so burn marks in it in 2 years. I am looking for a black material (or could be painted black) that will not burn that is thin that two 8" patches could be made to protect the sides of the glare shield where the sun is hitting it. Basically I would use an adhesive to glue down these patches where the sun hits to stop the burn holes... Any ideas? Randy Snarr N694RS 235/320 "Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly impossible" -Simon Newcomb, 1902 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01CBD97C.E06DDEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What is the scenario that causes = the dust cover to burn?  Why is it only the dust cover?  What are the = sun angles, canopy angles, etc that causes this to happen?  What = prevents the dust cover from catching on fire and burning the plane to the = ground?

I understand that this phenomenon = happens, but I don’t understand anything else about it.  Can someone = please explain?

 

Bill B

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of randy snarr
Sent: Wednesday, March = 02, 2011 9:32 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned = dust cover looking for material that wontburn.

 

Gary,
I thought of that too.
Anything but black reflects in the window. Colors to varying degrees = but foil is too much..

Carbon fiber is the stuff. I have tested it and it will not burn or = make a mark.
I am planning to make some patches for the sides of the dust cover = like the elbows on a sport jacket. I plan to glue them down with spray = adhesive. I just need a good way to finish the edges so it has a nice clean = look.
My dust cover is flat black so black carbon fiber may by my = answer.
Still working on a solution to make it permanent...
I will post what I end up doing..
Randy Snarr
235-320
N694RS


"Flight by machines heavier = than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly = impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

--- On Wed, 3/2/11, Gary Edwards = <gary21sn@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Gary Edwards <gary21sn@hotmail.com>
Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wontburn.
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 5:58 AM

How about = using a patch of Zetex in the areas prone to = burning?

 

Gary

----- = Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:19 = PM

Subject: [LML] Re: Burned dust cover looking for material that = wontburn.

 

I have = tried to do the same. I really would like a better solution though. Sooner or = later it is going to happen again. i just picked up some cloth material that will = not burn. I will post my findings to the group if it works. Randy Snarr =

Sent via BlackBerry from = T-Mobile

From: "Gary Edwards" <gary21sn@hotmail.com> =

Sender: "Lancair Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net> =

Date: Fri, 25 Feb = 2011 09:50:35 -0500

To: <lml@lancai= ronline.net>

ReplyTo: "Lancair Mailing List" <lml@lancaironline.net> =

Subject: [LML] Re: = Burned dust cover looking for material that wont = burn.

 

My second re-covering of the glare shield lasted about 48 hours without a burn mark.  Got distracted when a TV camera crew walked up with the = camera rolling (my 15 minutes of fame).  So, I said, "screw this".  I put an EAA sticker over the burn marks.  It's = been there for 9 years.  I try to not park with the sun behind = the plane and try to keep the canopy closed.  A bit difficult when I = pull the plane out of the hanger and it's facing north for = taxi.

 

Gary = Edwards

LNC2

----- = Original Message -----

From: randy snarr

Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 8:13 = AM

Subject: [LML] Burned dust cover looking for material that wont = burn.

 

Everyone = has seen the burn marks on your dust cover over the instrument panel from the = canopy glass caused by the sun when it hits at the right angle.
Mine was really nice. It was covered in a sinthetic black leather. = Anyway, I have already recovered it once and tried to be really careful with = it. In short, it has about 20 or so burn marks in it in 2 years.

I am looking for a black material (or could be painted black) that = will not burn that is thin that two 8" patches could be made to protect = the sides of the glare shield where the sun is hitting it.
Basically I would use an adhesive to glue down these patches where = the sun hits to stop the burn holes...

Any ideas?
Randy Snarr
N694RS
235/320



"Flight by machines = heavier than air is unpractical and insignificant, if not utterly = impossible"
-Simon Newcomb, 1902

 

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