X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da06.mx.aol.com ([205.188.169.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.12) with ESMTP id 4780011 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:37:11 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.169.203; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p0IFVUHV015295 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:31:30 -0500 Received: from Sky2high@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.1009.4ac67bf (37145) for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from magic-m24.mail.aol.com (magic-m24.mail.aol.com [172.20.22.197]) by cia-ma03.mx.aol.com (v129.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMA037-91194d35b24d178; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:31:25 -0500 From: Sky2high@aol.com X-Original-Message-ID: <9db48.1528ba5e.3a670c4d@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:31:25 EST Subject: Re: [LML] Airport security? X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9db48.1528ba5e.3a670c4d_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.5 sub 5400 X-AOL-IP: 24.15.17.119 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Sky2high@aol.com --part1_9db48.1528ba5e.3a670c4d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en C'mon, this is an opportunity for those in the gate business. Employ a= =20 double gate system where ones vehicle is not allowed to pass the second ga= te =20 until the first is closed. Exit must be accomplished elsewhere with a =20 single gate (and toll) to get out. Think of all the people that would be= =20 employed building, installing and maintaining these gates. =20 My own airport, KARR, has fences and gates. The Sky Haven hangar complex= =20 (_www.skyhaven.com_ (http://www.skyhaven.com) ) is required to operate tw= o=20 gates. However, the fence at the northeast only goes 50 feet beyond the= =20 gate and if you are willing to drive through a small swale entry, is assu= red. =20 Grayhawk =20 =20 In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:11:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, =20 panelmaker@earthlink.net writes: =20 Interesting observations and questions.=20 My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering after you, are you the= =20 police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation, law, what ever? Is= =20 that responsibility passed on to you because you rent space? Our airport= does=20 the same thing and has for a long time. I think it=E2=80=99s to placate a= local=20 congress person.=20 Jim=20 =20 =20 ____________________________________ =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 marv@lancair.net Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:50 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Airport security? =20 Posted for "Douglas Brunner" : Yesterday (1/14), I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work on = my plane. Recently, my airport has installed a sliding gate with a code to control entry. On my way in, I observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, spend some time sitting there and then drive away from the entry. My inferenc= e was that they did not know the access code to the airport. I pulled up= to the gate, punched in the access code and pulled through the gate. I=20 stopped on the other side of the gate, to limit entry to one car. The car which= =20 had been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to pull=20 around me and go through the gate while it was still open. I moved my car=20 slightly to block their entry figuring that if they didn't know the code, they shouldn't be coming in with me. Well it turned out that the two men in the car, were actually police officers, and they did not take kindly to my blocking their entrance. In essence they "copped an attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard time about blocking them. After a few unkind words were exchanged, we both = =20 went on our ways. Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security procedures at airports. And perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let someon= e follow me in through the security gate, or to follow others in. However= in this case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did no= t know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops) differently. Several questions/observations: Since the number of terrorist incidents attributable to GA aircraft both prior to and after instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is it logical to infer that the procedures have been a success??? Since the police appear to regard the security precautions as optional should these security precautions should be observed religiously by non-= =20 law enforcement types??? Has the amount of time and money spent on airport security post 9/11,=20 (which probably exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American countries) = =20 been well spent??? Or are these security precautions are an expensive charade designed to persuade gullible people that the government is making them safer??? -- =20 For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l =20 ____________________________________ =20 No virus found in this message. 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C'mon, this is an opportunity for those in the gate business. = Employ=20 a double gate system where ones vehicle is not allowed to pass the second= gate=20 until the first is closed.  Exit must be accomplished elsewhere with= a=20 single gate (and toll) to get out.  Think of all the people that woul= d be=20 employed building, installing and maintaining these gates.
 
My own airport, KARR, has fences and gates.  The= Sky=20 Haven hangar complex (www.skyhaven.com= ) is=20 required to operate two gates.  However, the fence at the northeast= only=20 goes 50 feet beyond the gate and if you are willing to drive through a sma= ll=20 swale entry, is assured.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 1/18/2011 9:11:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 panelmaker@earthlink.net writes:

Interesting observati= ons=20 and questions.
My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering aft= er=20 you, are you the police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation,= law,=20 what ever? Is that responsibility passed on to you because you rent spac= e? Our=20 airport does the same thing and has for a long time. I think it=E2=80=99= s to placate a=20 local congress person.

Jim

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From: Lancair=20 Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:50=20 AM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subjec= t: [LML] Airport=20 security?

 

Posted for "Douglas Brunner"=20 <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>:

 
 Yesterday= (1/14),=20 I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work on=20 my
 plane.  Recently, my airport has installed a slidi= ng=20 gate with a code to
 control entry.
 
 On my way= in, I=20 observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, spend
 some= time=20 sitting there and then drive away from the entry.  My=20 inference
 was that they did not know the access code to the=20 airport.  I pulled up to
 the gate, punched in the acc= ess=20 code and pulled through the gate.  I stopped
 on the= other=20 side of the gate, to limit entry to one car.  The car which=20 had
 been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tri= ed to=20 pull around
 me and go through the gate while it was still=20 open.  I moved my car slightly
 to block their entry= =20 figuring that if they didn't know the code, they
 shouldn't be= coming=20 in with me.
 
 Well it turned out that the two men in th= e car,=20 were actually police
 officers, and they did not take kindly to= my=20 blocking their entrance.  In
 essence they "copped an= =20 attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard time
 about blocking= =20 them.  After a few unkind words were exchanged, we both=20 went
 on our ways.
 
 Normally, I am not a huge= fan=20 of the (pseudo) security procedures at
 airports.  And= =20 perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let someone
 fol= low me=20 in through the security gate, or to follow others in. However in
&nbs= p;this=20 case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did=20 not
 know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops= )=20 differently.
 
 Several=20 questions/observations:
 
 Since the number of terrorist= =20 incidents attributable to GA aircraft both
 prior to and after= =20 instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is it
 logical to= infer=20 that the procedures have been a success???
 
 Since the= police=20 appear to regard the security precautions as optional
 should th= ese=20 security precautions should be observed religiously by non-=20 law
 enforcement types???
 
 Has the amount of= time=20 and money spent on airport security post 9/11, (which
 probably= =20 exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American countries)=20 been
 well spent???
 
 Or are these security=20 precautions are an expensive charade designed to
 persuade gulli= ble=20 people that the government is making them=20 safer???
 

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