X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:49:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s36.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.55.90.175] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.12) with ESMTP id 4780117 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:21:45 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.90.175; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from SNT112-DS13 ([65.55.90.137]) by snt0-omc3-s36.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:21:10 -0800 X-Originating-IP: [24.216.248.63] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Airport security? X-Original-Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:21:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CBB6E8.A6EC6810" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.00.0079.0400 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:21:03 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2011 16:21:10.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7AC7300:01CBB72B] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CBB6E8.A6EC6810 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Our airport (KMFR) also requires it. They are under intense pressure to = comply with the TSA pressure. The TSA here routinely uses unmarked = vehicles to tailgate gate users at the gate to attempt to get entry via = piggybacking. We also have airport security hiding at locations and = using binoculars to see if gate users are stopping after entry/exit to = allow the gate to fully close before departing. $1,000 fine if you = don't. We call them the "gate police". Their more recent push is = checking vehicles entering without the required insurance; $1,000,000 = liability. My insurance company laughed when I inquired about adding = that much to my 2004 Honda Metropolitan moped.=20 The fence only keeps the honest people out. We have seen a relative of = a hanger renter go over the fence in about 5 seconds. He tossed his = coat over the 3 rows of barbed wire and over he went. Gary Edwards LNC2=20 Interesting observations and questions.=20 My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering after you, are you = the police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation, law, what = ever? Is that responsibility passed on to you because you rent space? = Our airport does the same thing and has for a long time. I think it's to = placate a local congress person. Jim -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Posted for "Douglas Brunner" : =20 Yesterday (1/14), I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work = on my plane. Recently, my airport has installed a sliding gate with a code = to control entry. =20 On my way in, I observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, = spend some time sitting there and then drive away from the entry. My = inference was that they did not know the access code to the airport. I pulled = up to the gate, punched in the access code and pulled through the gate. I = stopped on the other side of the gate, to limit entry to one car. The car = which had been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to pull = around me and go through the gate while it was still open. I moved my car = slightly to block their entry figuring that if they didn't know the code, they shouldn't be coming in with me. =20 Well it turned out that the two men in the car, were actually police officers, and they did not take kindly to my blocking their entrance. = In essence they "copped an attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard = time about blocking them. After a few unkind words were exchanged, we = both went on our ways. =20 Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security procedures at airports. And perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let = someone follow me in through the security gate, or to follow others in. = However in this case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did = not know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops) = differently. =20 Several questions/observations: =20 Since the number of terrorist incidents attributable to GA aircraft = both prior to and after instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is = it logical to infer that the procedures have been a success??? =20 Since the police appear to regard the security precautions as = optional should these security precautions should be observed religiously by = non- law enforcement types??? =20 Has the amount of time and money spent on airport security post 9/11, = (which probably exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American = countries) been well spent??? =20 Or are these security precautions are an expensive charade designed = to persuade gullible people that the government is making them safer??? ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CBB6E8.A6EC6810 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Our airport (KMFR) also requires it.  They are under intense = pressure=20 to comply with the TSA pressure.  The TSA here routinely = uses unmarked=20 vehicles to tailgate gate users at the gate to attempt to get=20 entry via piggybacking.  We also have airport security hiding = at=20 locations and using binoculars to see if gate users are stopping after=20 entry/exit to allow the gate to fully close before departing.  = $1,000 fine=20 if you don't.  We call them the "gate police".  Their more = recent push=20 is checking vehicles entering without the required insurance; $1,000,000 = liability.  My insurance company laughed when I inquired about = adding that=20 much to my 2004 Honda Metropolitan moped. 
 
The fence only keeps the honest people out.  We have seen a = relative=20 of a hanger renter go over the fence in about 5 seconds.  He = tossed=20 his coat over the 3 rows of barbed wire and over he went.
 
Gary Edwards
LNC2 

Interesting = observations=20 and questions.
My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering = after=20 you, are you the police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation, = law,=20 what ever? Is that responsibility passed on to you because you rent = space? Our=20 airport does the same thing and has for a long time. I think it's to = placate a=20 local congress person.

Jim

 

 

Posted for "Douglas = Brunner"=20 <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>:

 
 Yesterday = (1/14),=20 I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work on=20 my
 plane.  Recently, my airport has installed a = sliding=20 gate with a code to
 control entry.
 
 On my = way in, I=20 observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, = spend
 some time=20 sitting there and then drive away from the entry.  My=20 inference
 was that they did not know the access code to the=20 airport.  I pulled up to
 the gate, punched in the = access=20 code and pulled through the gate.  I stopped
 on the = other=20 side of the gate, to limit entry to one car.  The car which=20 had
 been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then = tried to=20 pull around
 me and go through the gate while it was still=20 open.  I moved my car slightly
 to block their entry = figuring that if they didn't know the code, they
 shouldn't be = coming=20 in with me.
 
 Well it turned out that the two men in = the car,=20 were actually police
 officers, and they did not take kindly = to my=20 blocking their entrance.  In
 essence they "copped = an=20 attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard time
 about = blocking=20 them.  After a few unkind words were exchanged, we both=20 went
 on our ways.
 
 Normally, I am not a = huge fan=20 of the (pseudo) security procedures = at
 airports.  And=20 perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let = someone
 follow me=20 in through the security gate, or to follow others in. However = in
 this=20 case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did=20 not
 know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were = cops)=20 differently.
 
 Several=20 questions/observations:
 
 Since the number of = terrorist=20 incidents attributable to GA aircraft both
 prior to and after = instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is it
 logical = to infer=20 that the procedures have been a success???
 
 Since = the police=20 appear to regard the security precautions as optional
 should = these=20 security precautions should be observed religiously by non-=20 law
 enforcement types???
 
 Has the amount of = time=20 and money spent on airport security post 9/11, = (which
 probably=20 exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American countries)=20 been
 well spent???
 
 Or are these security=20 precautions are an expensive charade designed to
 persuade = gullible=20 people that the government is making them = safer???

 
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