X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 11:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4677424 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:20:19 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.82; envelope-from=troneill@charter.net Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20110117161943.DAVC12685.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:19:43 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([75.132.241.174]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id wgKj1f0073mUFT705gKju4; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:19:43 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HNDW-nDIqMEA:10 a=fLuM78UsAAAA:8 a=5Up8faWwAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=Ewj38AV9-5QV3L3DrjwA:9 a=Vw_7ZgX413qem4sdoJt821ep8M8A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=CVU0O5Kb7MsA:10 a=3jk_M6PjnjYA:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=bo4l0gNgayC-Q7iD:21 a=mcfVu-ERpqK_7n_Q:21 a=pwWH4Wcs6UwQ2S8gBXUA:9 a=STCHw25jyTsTgq8gDJMA:7 a=Tt-JEy-x8yd9_QBz3cxW_XUlIVgA:4 From: Terrence O'Neill Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-54--853596688 Subject: Re: [LML] Airport security? X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:19:43 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <8364509A-A875-485B-9007-C97A9AD11EFF@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) --Apple-Mail-54--853596688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Send this to a do-nothing DOT bureaucrat? On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:49 AM, marv@lancair.net wrote: > Posted for "Douglas Brunner" : >=20 > =20 > Yesterday (1/14), I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work = on my > plane. Recently, my airport has installed a sliding gate with a code = to > control entry. > =20 > On my way in, I observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, = spend > some time sitting there and then drive away from the entry. My = inference > was that they did not know the access code to the airport. I pulled = up to > the gate, punched in the access code and pulled through the gate. I = stopped > on the other side of the gate, to limit entry to one car. The car = which had > been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to pull = around > me and go through the gate while it was still open. I moved my car = slightly > to block their entry figuring that if they didn't know the code, they > shouldn't be coming in with me. > =20 > Well it turned out that the two men in the car, were actually police > officers, and they did not take kindly to my blocking their entrance. = In > essence they "copped an attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard = time > about blocking them. After a few unkind words were exchanged, we = both went > on our ways. > =20 > Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security procedures at > airports. And perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let = someone > follow me in through the security gate, or to follow others in. = However in > this case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did = not > know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops) = differently. > =20 > Several questions/observations: > =20 > Since the number of terrorist incidents attributable to GA aircraft = both > prior to and after instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is = it > logical to infer that the procedures have been a success??? > =20 > Since the police appear to regard the security precautions as = optional > should these security precautions should be observed religiously by = non- law > enforcement types??? > =20 > Has the amount of time and money spent on airport security post 9/11, = (which > probably exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American = countries) been > well spent??? > =20 > Or are these security precautions are an expensive charade designed = to > persuade gullible people that the government is making them safer??? > =20 >=20 > -- >=20 > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Apple-Mail-54--853596688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Send this to a do-nothing DOT bureaucrat?

On Jan 17, 2011, at 8:49 AM, marv@lancair.net wrote:

Posted for "Douglas Brunner" <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>:

 
 Yesterday (1/14), I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work on my
 plane.  Recently, my airport has installed a sliding gate with a code to
 control entry.
 
 On my way in, I observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, spend
 some time sitting there and then drive away from the entry.  My inference
 was that they did not know the access code to the airport.  I pulled up to
 the gate, punched in the access code and pulled through the gate.  I stopped
 on the other side of the gate, to limit entry to one car.  The car which had
 been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to pull around
 me and go through the gate while it was still open.  I moved my car slightly
 to block their entry figuring that if they didn't know the code, they
 shouldn't be coming in with me.
 
 Well it turned out that the two men in the car, were actually police
 officers, and they did not take kindly to my blocking their entrance.  In
 essence they "copped an attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard time
 about blocking them.  After a few unkind words were exchanged, we both went
 on our ways.
 
 Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security procedures at
 airports.  And perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let someone
 follow me in through the security gate, or to follow others in. However in
 this case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did not
 know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops) differently.
 
 Several questions/observations:
 
 Since the number of terrorist incidents attributable to GA aircraft both
 prior to and after instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is it
 logical to infer that the procedures have been a success???
 
 Since the police appear to regard the security precautions as optional
 should these security precautions should be observed religiously by non- law
 enforcement types???
 
 Has the amount of time and money spent on airport security post 9/11, (which
 probably exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American countries) been
 well spent???
 
 Or are these security precautions are an expensive charade designed to
 persuade gullible people that the government is making them safer???
 

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