X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 10:11:24 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.66] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4677300 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:03:16 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.66; envelope-from=panelmaker@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hGyutjw69X1f3q8T1FQSSef3QDcS5MatePeDKix3HeMQRAJGVYXh1nhI4xHeML94; h=Received:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.173.71.116] (helo=COMPUTER1) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1PeqbG-0006tR-K1 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:02:30 -0500 From: "Jim Nordin" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: Subject: Airport security? X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:02:34 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01CBB625.47D3F730" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 Thread-Index: Acu2VdFKSaAWBKoiQU+KTsqe2T1/UQAAUYnQ In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: bdfc62829fd2a80cc8ad50643b1069f8239a348a220c26091d982d2d2bd547c6ebcbb46460188670548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.173.71.116 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CBB625.47D3F730 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting observations and questions. My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering after you, are you the police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation, law, what ever? Is that responsibility passed on to you because you rent space? Our airport does the same thing and has for a long time. I think it's to placate a local congress person. Jim _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:50 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Airport security? Posted for "Douglas Brunner" : Yesterday (1/14), I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some work on my plane. Recently, my airport has installed a sliding gate with a code to control entry. On my way in, I observed the car in front of me stop at the keypad, spend some time sitting there and then drive away from the entry. My inference was that they did not know the access code to the airport. I pulled up to the gate, punched in the access code and pulled through the gate. I stopped on the other side of the gate, to limit entry to one car. The car which had been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to pull around me and go through the gate while it was still open. I moved my car slightly to block their entry figuring that if they didn't know the code, they shouldn't be coming in with me. Well it turned out that the two men in the car, were actually police officers, and they did not take kindly to my blocking their entrance. In essence they "copped an attitude" (pun intended) and gave me a hard time about blocking them. After a few unkind words were exchanged, we both went on our ways. Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security procedures at airports. And perhaps from time to time, I have been known to let someone follow me in through the security gate, or to follow others in. However in this case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they did not know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops) differently. Several questions/observations: Since the number of terrorist incidents attributable to GA aircraft both prior to and after instituting these security precaution is ZERO, is it logical to infer that the procedures have been a success??? Since the police appear to regard the security precautions as optional should these security precautions should be observed religiously by non- law enforcement types??? Has the amount of time and money spent on airport security post 9/11, (which probably exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American countries) been well spent??? Or are these security precautions are an expensive charade designed to persuade gullible people that the government is making them safer??? -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1191 / Virus Database: 1435/3384 - Release Date: 01/16/11 ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01CBB625.47D3F730 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Interesting observations and = questions.
My question is: by keeping vehicles from entering after you, are you the = police now? Are you expected to enforce a regulation, law, what ever? Is that = responsibility passed on to you because you rent space? Our airport does the same thing = and has for a long time. I think it’s to placate a local congress = person.

Jim

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of marv@lancair.net
Sent: Monday, January 17, = 2011 8:50 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Airport = security?

 

Posted for "Douglas Brunner" <douglasbrunner@earthlink.net>:

 
 Yesterday (1/14), I headed out to my airport (KMTN) to do some = work on my
 plane.  Recently, my airport has installed a sliding = gate with a code to
 control entry.
 
 On my way in, I observed the car in front of me stop at the = keypad, spend
 some time sitting there and then drive away from the = entry.  My inference
 was that they did not know the access code to the = airport.  I pulled up to
 the gate, punched in the access code and pulled through the gate.  I stopped
 on the other side of the gate, to limit entry to one = car.  The car which had
 been in front of me (and had failed to gain entry) then tried to = pull around
 me and go through the gate while it was still open.  I = moved my car slightly
 to block their entry figuring that if they didn't know the code, = they
 shouldn't be coming in with me.
 
 Well it turned out that the two men in the car, were actually = police
 officers, and they did not take kindly to my blocking their entrance.  In
 essence they "copped an attitude" (pun intended) and = gave me a hard time
 about blocking them.  After a few unkind words were = exchanged, we both went
 on our ways.
 
 Normally, I am not a huge fan of the (pseudo) security procedures = at
 airports.  And perhaps from time to time, I have been = known to let someone
 follow me in through the security gate, or to follow others in. = However in
 this case, it appeared to me that they had demonstrated that they = did not
 know the code so I treated them (not knowing they were cops) = differently.
 
 Several questions/observations:
 
 Since the number of terrorist incidents attributable to GA = aircraft both
 prior to and after instituting these security precaution is ZERO, = is it
 logical to infer that the procedures have been a success???
 
 Since the police appear to regard the security precautions as = optional
 should these security precautions should be observed religiously = by non- law
 enforcement types???
 
 Has the amount of time and money spent on airport security post = 9/11, (which
 probably exceeds the GDP of some African and Latin American = countries) been
 well spent???
 
 Or are these security precautions are an expensive charade = designed to
 persuade gullible people that the government is making them = safer???
 

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