X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:27:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4590836 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:53:00 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.122; envelope-from=Wolfgang@MiCom.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=NFUeGz0loTdi/T6hXKngYYtckjed7x3pKvNOqmBBK18= c=1 sm=0 a=t9garLHpLggA:10 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:17 a=t-IPkPogAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=rTjvlri0AAAA:8 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=G50zkmLvAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=_Be4q6izD8tRvsAdzxgA:9 a=gIrbli4EmzhMlcJehuMA:7 a=XsHZ_ym0U3bb37jNPv8GabttbtMA:4 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=pPZJos--9IcA:10 a=ikAHCtAhc4YA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=Dr9Wx-Q63l4A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=GKZ38ePTaiG-RhTP:21 a=DTX_PWLPchRtnI9c:21 a=uhPMnebkAAAA:8 a=xk2dU3fiNk_Zub6EA1AA:7 a=Ch5DPbbyfC4wiGTCv7x0gwpa3ckA:4 a=Hs9J3SXIuHcA:10 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.218.201.50 Received: from [74.218.201.50] ([74.218.201.50:1486] helo=Lobo) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 56/7B-12606-7B43DEC4; Wed, 24 Nov 2010 15:52:23 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <00b901cb8bef$91c236a0$6401a8c0@Lobo> From: "Wolfgang" X-Original-To: References: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 10:52:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CB8BC5.A8C39800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CB8BC5.A8C39800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The iPad WiFi model is advertised by Apple as having AGPS capabilities = but the unit will not do GPS. I call that crippled. See the spec sheet under "Location" about 2/3 down = the page. http://store.apple.com/us/tab?node=3Dhome/shop_ipad/family/ipad&tcid=3Dtg= _tabcontroller&tab=3D1 . . . and don't confuse IPgeolocation with real GPS . . . assisted or = otherwise. Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Don Parsons=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit Wolfgang,=20 Can you be more specific about what you are saying "Apple cripples"? Don On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Wolfgang wrote: Yes, there is GPS with a real satelite signal.=20 AGPS is just waht it says, Assisted GPS, not a replacement for GPS. Here's more information; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS Apple cripples it to make you buy more. Other phones like the HTC Aria do GPS just fine without the extra = payment. Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: H & J Johnson=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple = rep at the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] = and there is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it = does have is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection = to a 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, = however there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT = signals. For me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but = I would still recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. = Foreflight and FliteDeck are very nice. Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly = happy that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. Fwiw Jarrett Johnson 235/320 55% > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back = and=20 > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 >=20 > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 > wrote:=20 >=20 > > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present = (for=20 > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 = you=20 > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 > outback>=20 > > Cheers=20 > >=20 > > Dom Crain=20 > >=20 > > VH-CZJ=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf = Of=20 > H & J Johnson=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just = > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and = was=20 > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like = a=20 > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' = functions=20 > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 > >=20 > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or = > where does one get such a beast?=20 > >=20 > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire = trip=20 > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them = > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!! = > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 > approach plates is a synch.=20 > >=20 > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 > >=20 > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not = had=20 > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ = a=20 > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 > >=20 > > Fwiw=20 > >=20 > > Jarrett Johnson=20 > >=20 > > 235/320 55%=20 >=20 --=20 Don Parsons E-Mail: parsons.don@gmail.com=20 Voice Mail: 281-656-1707 ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01CB8BC5.A8C39800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The iPad WiFi model is advertised by = Apple as=20 having AGPS capabilities but the unit will not do GPS.
I call that crippled. See the spec = sheet under=20 "Location" about 2/3 down the page.
http://store.apple.com/us/tab?nod= e=3Dhome/shop_ipad/family/ipad&tcid=3Dtg_tabcontroller&tab=3D1
 
. . . and don't confuse IPgeolocation with real GPS . . . assisted = or=20 otherwise.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Don=20 Parsons
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, = 2010 11:42=20 AM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in = the=20 cockpit

Wolfgang,=20

Can you be more specific about what you are saying "Apple=20 cripples"?

Don

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Wolfgang = <Wolfgang@micom.net> = wrote:
Yes, there is GPS with a real = satelite signal.=20
AGPS is just waht it says, Assisted = GPS, not a=20 replacement for GPS.
Here's more information; = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS
 
Apple cripples it to make you = buy=20 more.
 
Other phones like the HTC Aria do = GPS just fine=20 without the extra payment.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From: = H & J Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November = 18, 2010=20 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad = in the=20 cockpit

John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple = rep at=20 the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and = there=20 is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does = have is=20 what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G = tower.=20 If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, = however=20 there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT = signals. =20 For me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I = would=20 still recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. = Foreflight and=20 FliteDeck are very nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly = happy=20 that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know = because my=20
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it = back=20 and
> pay a few hundred more to get what I needed..... =
>=20
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"
> = <domcrain@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> =
> >=20 Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for =
>=20 meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally =
>=20 acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you =
>=20 have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the =
>=20 outback>
> > Cheers
> >
> > Dom = Crain=20
> >
> > VH-CZJ
> >
> = > =20
> >
> > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> H = & J=20 Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM =
>=20 > To: lml@lancaironline.net
> > Subject: = [LML] Re:=20 iPad in the cockpit
> >
> > 
> = >=20
> > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in = GPS? I=20 just
> upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + = wi-fi=20 and was
> wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that = infact they=20 do-not
> come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make = it work=20 like a
> GPS but it isn't infact and gps.  I can't get = any=20 'gps' functions
> to work on my w/out the 3G operating. =
>=20 >
> > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue = tooth,=20 what or
> where does one get such a beast?
> > =
>=20 > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire = trip=20
> last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada = w/ two=20
> stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I = have them=20
> still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than = that!!=20
> Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro = area and=20
> getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates = or=20
> approach plates is a synch.
> >
> > = Couldn't=20 recommend it enough!
> >
> > Btw, to date = [only been=20 using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or = altitude=20 and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of = 7-8000'=20
> >
> > Fwiw
> >
> > = Jarrett=20 Johnson
> >
> > 235/320 55%
>=20




--=20
Don Parsons

E-Mail: parsons.don@gmail.com=20
Voice Mail:=20 281-656-1707

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