X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from carbinge.com ([69.5.27.218] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with SMTP id 4588806 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:14:17 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.5.27.218; envelope-from=jbarrett@carbinge.com Received: (qmail 18340 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2010 01:13:41 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [66.235.49.247] Reply-To: From: "John Barrett" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 17:13:37 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <015c01cb8aab$a9877a60$fc966f20$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015D_01CB8A68.9B643A60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcuKmbaynW/roXEhRn25nr1yoeW30QAEZSjQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_015D_01CB8A68.9B643A60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_015E_01CB8A68.9B643A60" ------=_NextPart_001_015E_01CB8A68.9B643A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to Bob Mitchell for this referral concerning the Bad Elf GPS. I = had seen that blog before. I also own a GSAT GPS Bluetooth that should = hook up with the iPad but so far the iPad doesn=E2=80=99t recognize. =20 I was really interested in the IPhone/iPad connection called tethering = and wondering if anyone has experience with that with regards to = aviation software =E2=80=93 foreflight in particular.. =20 Regards, John Barrett =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Robert Mitchell Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:05 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit =20 John, =20 From Foreflight blog, cost $99.00=20 The first supported device is the = Bad = Elf GPS Receiver for iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad (66-channel, = SBAS/WAAS, 10Hz)Image removed by sender.. This small, directly attached = GPS receiver avoids the need for charging a separate device while = providing high quality GPS fixes for ForeFlight Mobile HD. The BadElf = GPS requires zero setup =E2=80=93 just plug it into your iPad or iPhone = and you have an upgraded GPS signal. More information is available on = the Bad Elf web site. =20 Sent from my iPad On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:17 PM, "John Barrett" = wrote: Have been watching this thread with great interest. I have iPad with = wifi but not 3G. My wife gave it to me as a present and she knows I = don=E2=80=99t like my cell phones to have 3G internet connectivity so = she reasoned this would be the right thing for me. I thought so too = until I started reading on LML about Foreflight for the iPad. Now = I=E2=80=99ve tried it and it looks pretty good but works best if hooked = up via wifi. I=E2=80=99ve been using Seattle Avionics Voyager on a = small tablet computer and it looks like the iPad might have some = advantages. =20 My iPad is a 64 GB model so has beaucoup storage. I have been told I = can =E2=80=9Ctether=E2=80=9D it to a cell phone with 3G capabilities and = a GPS to make it functional for aviation apps. I am looking to verify = this concept. Anyone have experience with this? A low end IPhone can = be had for $99 and the tether contract is $45 per month but can be = selectively downgraded month to month when not being used to $15 per = month minimal contract. =20 =20 John Barrett =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = YoSamuel@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:53 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit =20 John Hafen. =20 What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts? =20 Thanks. =20 Dave. =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, = j.hafen@comcast.net writes: My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I = fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers.=20 =20 What you can't get airborne is weather information. =20 =20 John Hafen =20 =20 On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote: =20 =20 =20 John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at = the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have = is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G = tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For = me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and = FliteDeck are very nice. Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. Fwiw Jarrett Johnson 235/320 55% > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and=20 > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 >=20 > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 > wrote:=20 >=20 > > Yeah =E2=80=93 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=E2=80=99day = present (for=20 > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =E2=80=93 = you=20 > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 > outback>=20 > > Cheers=20 > >=20 > > Dom Crain=20 > >=20 > > VH-CZJ=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 > H & J Johnson=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 > >=20 > > =20 > >=20 > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20 > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20 > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20 > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20 > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 > >=20 > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or=20 > where does one get such a beast?=20 > >=20 > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20 > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20 > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20 > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 > approach plates is a synch.=20 > >=20 > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 > >=20 > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20 > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20 > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 > >=20 > > Fwiw=20 > >=20 > > Jarrett Johnson=20 > >=20 > > 235/320 55%=20 >=20 =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 =3D _____ =20 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3266 - Release Date: 11/19/10 _____ =20 No virus found in this message. 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Thanks to Bob Mitchell for this referral concerning the Bad Elf = GPS.=C2=A0 I had seen that blog before.=C2=A0 I also own a GSAT GPS = Bluetooth that should hook up with the iPad but so far the iPad = doesn=E2=80=99t recognize.

 

I was really interested in the=C2=A0 IPhone/iPad connection called = tethering and wondering if anyone has experience with that with regards = to aviation software =E2=80=93 foreflight in = particular..

 

Regards,
John Barrett

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Robert Mitchell
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 3:05 = PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: iPad = in the cockpit

 

John,

 

From Foreflight blog, cost = $99.00 



=

= The first supported device is the Bad Elf GPS Receiver = for iPod touch, iPhone, and iPad (66-channel, SBAS/WAAS, = 10Hz)3D"Image.  This small, directly = attached GPS receiver avoids the need for charging a separate device = while providing high quality GPS fixes for ForeFlight Mobile HD. =  The BadElf GPS requires zero setup =E2=80=93 just plug it into = your iPad or iPhone and you have an upgraded GPS signal.  More = information is available on the Bad Elf web = site.

=  

Sent from my = iPad


On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:17 PM, = "John Barrett" <jbarrett@carbinge.com> = wrote:

Have been watching this thread with great interest.  I have iPad = with wifi but not 3G.  My wife gave it to me as a present and she = knows I don=E2=80=99t like my cell phones to have 3G internet = connectivity so she reasoned this would be the right thing for me.  = I thought so too until I started reading on LML about  Foreflight = for the iPad.  Now I=E2=80=99ve tried it and it looks pretty good = but works best if hooked up via wifi.  I=E2=80=99ve been using = Seattle Avionics Voyager on a small tablet computer and it looks like = the iPad might have some advantages.

 

My iPad is a 64 GB model so has beaucoup storage.  I have been = told I can =E2=80=9Ctether=E2=80=9D it to a cell phone with 3G = capabilities and a GPS to make it functional for aviation apps.  I = am looking to verify this concept.  Anyone have experience with = this?  A low end IPhone can be had for $99 and the tether contract = is $45 per month but can be selectively downgraded month to month when = not being used to $15 per month minimal contract.  =

 

John Barrett

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = YoSamuel@aol.com
Sent: = Friday, November 19, 2010 1:53 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the = cockpit

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J= ohn Hafen.

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W= hat software do you use for your IFR and VFR = charts?

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T= hanks.

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D= ave.

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I= n a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, j.hafen@comcast.net = writes:

M= y iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I fly, = as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track.  At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers.

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W= hat you can't get airborne is weather information. =  

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J= ohn Hafen

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O= n Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson = wrote:

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J= ohn, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at = the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have = is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection = to a 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a = 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no actuall connection or reception = of SAT signals.  For me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this = regard, but I would still recommend it as a tool for carrying your = charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very = nice.

G= oogle the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that it doesn't infact have a proper = receiver.

F= wiw

J= arrett Johnson

2= 35/320 55%

&= gt; Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my =
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back = and
> pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....
> =
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain" =
> <domcrain@tpg.com.au> wrote: =
>
> > Yeah =E2=80=93 I just went to look at an iPad as = a b=E2=80=99day present (for
> meself) and when quizzed the = so-called Apple expert finally
> acknowledged there is no GPS = receiver built in to the iPad =E2=80=93 you
> have to be in range = of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the
> outback> =
> > Cheers
> >
> > Dom Crain
> > =
> > VH-CZJ
> >
> > 
> > =
> > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of
> H & J Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 = November 2010 1:21 PM
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net
> = > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit
> >
> = > 
> >
> > Bob Are you positive that your = unit has a built in GPS? I just
> upgrade my iPad from the = standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was
> wanting the unit w/ a = GPS but was told that infact they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. There = are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a
> GPS but it isn't = infact and gps.  I can't get any 'gps' functions
> to work = on my w/out the 3G operating.
> >
> > As to external = GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or
> where does one = get such a beast?
> >
> > REALLY liking my iPAD for = in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip
> last night central Canada = to Denver and return to Canada w/ two
> stops and didn't pick up = a single chart book or map [I have them
> still, I just don't use = them]. It doesn't get better than that!!
> Esp when going into = somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and
> getting 'yanked' = around a bit switching up arrival plates or
> approach plates is = a synch.
> >
> > Couldn't recommend it enough! =
> >
> > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 = weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally = fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of 7-8000'
> > =
> > Fwiw
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> = >
> > 235/320 55%
> =

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