X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:42:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ew0-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4589280 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 08:08:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.52; envelope-from=parsons.don@gmail.com Received: by ewy4 with SMTP id 4so4995602ewy.25 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:07:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=aAAaIHpMtGzkdl5gaoflpo2UlnsGy821bBxLuKxOfHrFvm5VXzfh2s3R/3zpPVl1kA 0jWSECyWCz1jbRUTcexSUkyK41dgq8dKdDMEMQ+DEYOvxuCLpElF6ECMc1r0Wt/ufDSm pEd5PTAgi09dkCeKfCPeNycXp+pWnPG0xBmFg= Received: by 10.213.114.8 with SMTP id c8mr1376758ebq.67.1290517661218; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:07:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.11.3 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 05:07:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Don Parsons X-Original-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:07:20 -0600 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3c52c5f8240495b80ec7 --0015174c3c52c5f8240495b80ec7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolfgang, Can you be more specific about what you are saying "Apple cripples"? Don On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Wolfgang wrote: > Yes, there is GPS with a real satelite signal. > AGPS is just waht it says, Assisted GPS, not a replacement for GPS. > Here's more information; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GPS > > Apple cripples it to make you buy more. > > Other phones like the HTC Aria do GPS just fine without the extra payment= . > > Wolfgang > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* H & J Johnson > *To:* lml@lancaironline.net > *Sent:* Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit > > John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at > the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is > no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have is wh= at > they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G tower. If yo= ur > connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no > actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For me flying @ FL240 it= 's > pretty useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it as a tool f= or > carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very nice. > > Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy tha= t > it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. > > Fwiw > > Jarrett Johnson > > 235/320 55% > > > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my > > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and > > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed..... > > > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain" > > wrote: > > > > > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for > > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally > > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you > > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the > > outback> > > > Cheers > > > > > > Dom Crain > > > > > > VH-CZJ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of > > H & J Johnson > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM > > > To: lml@lancaironline.net > > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just > > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was > > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not > > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a > > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions > > to work on my w/out the 3G operating. > > > > > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or > > where does one get such a beast? > > > > > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip > > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two > > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them > > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!! > > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and > > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or > > approach plates is a synch. > > > > > > Couldn't recommend it enough! > > > > > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had > > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a > > cabin alt of 7-8000' > > > > > > Fwiw > > > > > > Jarrett Johnson > > > > > > 235/320 55% > > > > --=20 Don Parsons *E-Mail*: parsons.don@gmail.com *Voice Mail*: 281-656-1707 --0015174c3c52c5f8240495b80ec7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wolfgang,

Can you be more specific about what you are sa= ying "Apple cripples"?

Don

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Wolfgang <Wolfgang@micom.net><= /span> wrote:
Yes, there is GPS with a real satelite= signal.=20
AGPS is just waht it says, Assisted GP= S, not a=20 replacement for GPS.
=A0
Apple=A0cripples it to make you buy=20 more.
=A0
Other phones like the HTC Aria do GPS = just fine=20 without the extra payment.
=A0
Wolfgang
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 7:52=20 PM
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the= =20 cockpit

John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at= the=20 store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is no GPS=20 [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have is w= hat they call=20 A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G tower. If yo= ur connected=20 to=A03G,=A0then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no= =20 actuall connection or reception of SAT signals.=A0 For me flying @ FL240= =20 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it as= a tool=20 for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very nice.

Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that=20 it doesn't infact have a proper receiver.

Fwiw

Jarrett Johnson

235/320 55%

> Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20
> wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back a= nd=20
> pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....
>
&g= t; On=20 Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"
>=20 <domcrain@tpg= .com.au> wrote:
>
> > Yeah =96 I just went=20 to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for
> meself) and when qu= izzed=20 the so-called Apple expert finally
> acknowledged there is no GPS= =20 receiver built in to the iPad =96 you
> have to be in range of a 3= G cell=20 tower. Not a lot of use in the
> outback>
> > Cheers= =20
> >
> > Dom Crain
> >
> > VH-CZJ= =20
> >
> >=A0
> >
> > From: Lancair= =20 Mailing List [= lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
> H & J Johnson=20
> > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM
> > To:= =20 lml@lancaironl= ine.net
> > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20
> >
> >=A0
> >
> > Bob Are you=20 positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just
> upgrade my iP= ad=20 from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was
> wanting the un= it w/=20 a GPS but was told that infact they do-not
> come w/ a GPS. There = are=20 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a
> GPS but it isn&= #39;t infact and=20 gps.=A0 I can't get any 'gps' functions
> to work on m= y w/out the 3G=20 operating.
> >
> > As to external GPS units that inte= grate=20 w/ blue tooth, what or
> where does one get such a beast?
>= >=20
> > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire = trip=20
> last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two= =20
> stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have = them=20
> still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better tha= n that!!=20
> Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and= =20
> getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plate= s or
>=20 approach plates is a synch.
> >
> > Couldn't reco= mmend it=20 enough!
> >
> > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad = for=20 ~4 weeks] I've not had
> issue w/ heat or altitude and I gener= ally fly=20 Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a
> cabin alt of 7-8000'
> >
&= gt; >=20 Fwiw
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> >
> &= gt;=20 235/320 55%
>




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