X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:05:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.63] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4587528 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:14:05 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.63; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fRlT1an629JxnWYYn1P+V3I2PTRtzW99u/fV0u3RZBxpL+aVHdrokX96UqOY1cJ/; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [216.57.118.85] (helo=[192.168.1.103]) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1PKNmU-0007BT-J6 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:13:30 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-95-706880514 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit X-Original-Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:13:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da94011c0bf8761e40684ec3db47a2a0dcee9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 216.57.118.85 --Apple-Mail-95-706880514 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 OR....sell your wifi on ebay and buy a 3G. My flight instructor did = that and I think it cost him less than $100 penalty all told. I don't = know why but there seems to be a strong used market. On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:17 PM, John Barrett wrote: > Have been watching this thread with great interest. I have iPad with = wifi but not 3G. My wife gave it to me as a present and she knows I = don=92t like my cell phones to have 3G internet connectivity so she = reasoned this would be the right thing for me. I thought so too until I = started reading on LML about Foreflight for the iPad. Now I=92ve tried = it and it looks pretty good but works best if hooked up via wifi. I=92ve = been using Seattle Avionics Voyager on a small tablet computer and it = looks like the iPad might have some advantages. > =20 > My iPad is a 64 GB model so has beaucoup storage. I have been told I = can =93tether=94 it to a cell phone with 3G capabilities and a GPS to = make it functional for aviation apps. I am looking to verify this = concept. Anyone have experience with this? A low end IPhone can be had = for $99 and the tether contract is $45 per month but can be selectively = downgraded month to month when not being used to $15 per month minimal = contract.=20 > =20 > John Barrett > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = YoSamuel@aol.com > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:53 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit > =20 > John Hafen. > =20 > What software do you use for your IFR and VFR charts? > =20 > Thanks. > =20 > Dave. > =20 > =20 > =20 > In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, = j.hafen@comcast.net writes: > My iPad provides moving map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I = fly, as well as groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track. At 22,000 feet, = well away from cell towers. > =20 > What you can't get airborne is weather information. =20 > =20 > John Hafen > =20 > =20 > On Nov 18, 2010, at 4:52 PM, H & J Johnson wrote: >=20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to the Apple rep at = the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb w/ 3G] and there = is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. What it does have = is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through connection to a 3G = tower. If your connected to 3G, then you have a 'sorta' GPS, however = there is still no actuall connection or reception of SAT signals. For = me flying @ FL240 it's pretty useless in this regard, but I would still = recommend it as a tool for carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and = FliteDeck are very nice. >=20 > Google the iPad w/ GPS stuff, there is lots of ppl not terribly happy = that it doesn't infact have a proper receiver. >=20 > Fwiw >=20 > Jarrett Johnson >=20 > 235/320 55% >=20 > > Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know because my=20 > > wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and=20= > > pay a few hundred more to get what I needed.....=20 > >=20 > > On Nov 16, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain"=20 > > wrote:=20 > >=20 > > > Yeah =96 I just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for=20= > > meself) and when quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally=20 > > acknowledged there is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you=20= > > have to be in range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the=20 > > outback>=20 > > > Cheers=20 > > >=20 > > > Dom Crain=20 > > >=20 > > > VH-CZJ=20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of=20 > > H & J Johnson=20 > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM=20 > > > To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 > > > Subject: [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit=20 > > >=20 > > > =20 > > >=20 > > > Bob Are you positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just=20 > > upgrade my iPad from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was=20 > > wanting the unit w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not=20 > > come w/ a GPS. There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a=20 > > GPS but it isn't infact and gps. I can't get any 'gps' functions=20 > > to work on my w/out the 3G operating.=20 > > >=20 > > > As to external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or=20 > > where does one get such a beast?=20 > > >=20 > > > REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip=20 > > last night central Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two=20 > > stops and didn't pick up a single chart book or map [I have them=20 > > still, I just don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!!=20 > > Esp when going into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and=20 > > getting 'yanked' around a bit switching up arrival plates or=20 > > approach plates is a synch.=20 > > >=20 > > > Couldn't recommend it enough!=20 > > >=20 > > > Btw, to date [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had=20 > > issue w/ heat or altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a=20 > > cabin alt of 7-8000'=20 > > >=20 > > > Fwiw=20 > > >=20 > > > Jarrett Johnson=20 > > >=20 > > > 235/320 55%=20 > > >=20 > =20 > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html > =20 > =3D > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1153 / Virus Database: 424/3266 - Release Date: 11/19/10 >=20 --Apple-Mail-95-706880514 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 OR....sell your wifi on ebay and buy a 3G.  My = flight instructor did that and I think it cost him less than $100 = penalty all told.  I don't know why but there seems to be a strong = used market.

On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:17 PM, John = Barrett wrote:

Have been watching this thread = with great interest.  I have iPad with wifi but not 3G.  My = wife gave it to me as a present and she knows I don=92t like my cell = phones to have 3G internet connectivity so she reasoned this would be = the right thing for me.  I thought so too until I started reading = on LML about  Foreflight for the iPad.  Now I=92ve tried it = and it looks pretty good but works best if hooked up via wifi.  = I=92ve been using Seattle Avionics Voyager on a small tablet computer = and it looks like the iPad might have some = advantages.
 
My iPad is a 64 GB model so has = beaucoup storage.  I have been told I can =93tether=94 it to a cell = phone with 3G capabilities and a GPS to make it functional for aviation = apps.  I am looking to verify this concept.  Anyone have = experience with this?  A low end IPhone can be had for $99 and the = tether contract is $45 per month but can be selectively downgraded month = to month when not being used to $15 per month minimal = contract. 
 
John = Barrett
 
 Lancair = Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of YoSamuel@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 = 1:53 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
S= ubject: [LML] Re: = iPad in the cockpit
 
In a message dated 11/19/2010 5:03:26 A.M. = Pacific Standard Time, j.hafen@comcast.net writes:
My iPad provides moving = map display on top of VFR or IFR charts as I fly, as well as = groundspeed, GPS Altitude, and Track.  At 22,000 feet, well away = from cell towers.
John, I thought so too, until I started to talking to = the Apple rep at the store. I've got the second highest level iPad [32Gb = w/ 3G] and there is no GPS [as in 'true' GPS w/ a built in receiver]. = What it does have is what they call A-GPS or "Assisted" GPS through = connection to a 3G tower. If your connected to 3G, then you = have a 'sorta' GPS, however there is still no actuall connection or = reception of SAT signals.  For me flying @ FL240 it's pretty = useless in this regard, but I would still recommend it as a tool for = carrying your charts etc. Foreflight and FliteDeck are very = nice.

235/320 55%

> Not true. The higher end models do have gps. I know = because my 
> = wife got me the wrong one to start with. I had to take it back and 
> pay a few hundred = more to get what I needed..... 
> 
> On Nov 16, 2010, = at 6:24 AM, "Dominic V. Crain" 
> < 
> 
> > Yeah =96 I = just went to look at an iPad as a b=92day present (for 
> meself) and when = quizzed the so-called Apple expert finally 
> acknowledged there = is no GPS receiver built in to the iPad =96 you 
> have to be in = range of a 3G cell tower. Not a lot of use in the 
> outback> 
> > Cheers 
> > 
> > Dom = Crain 
> = > 
> > = VH-CZJ 
> = > 
> = >  
> = > 
> > = From: Lancair Mailing List [lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of 
> H & J = Johnson 
> > = Sent: Tuesday, 16 November 2010 1:21 PM 
> > To: lml@lancaironline.net 
> > Subject: = [LML] Re: iPad in the cockpit 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bob Are you = positive that your unit has a built in GPS? I just 
> upgrade my iPad = from the standard wi-fi to the 3G + wi-fi and was 
> wanting the unit = w/ a GPS but was told that infact they do-not 
> come w/ a GPS. = There are 'GPS emulators' that make it work like a 
> GPS but it isn't = infact and gps.  I can't get any 'gps' functions 
> to work on my = w/out the 3G operating. 
> > 
> > As to = external GPS units that integrate w/ blue tooth, what or 
> where does one get = such a beast? 
> = > 
> > = REALLY liking my iPAD for in-cockpit work. I did an entire trip 
> last night central = Canada to Denver and return to Canada w/ two 
> stops and didn't = pick up a single chart book or map [I have them 
> still, I just = don't use them]. It doesn't get better than that!! 
> Esp when going = into somewhere larger like Denver Metro area and 
> getting 'yanked' = around a bit switching up arrival plates or 
> approach plates is = a synch. 
> = > 
> > = Couldn't recommend it enough! 
> > 
> > Btw, to date = [only been using a iPad for ~4 weeks] I've not had 
> issue w/ heat or = altitude and I generally fly Fl240 or Fl250 w/ a 
> cabin alt of = 7-8000' 
> = > 
> > = Fwiw 
> = > 
> > = Jarrett Johnson 
>= > 
> > = 235/320 55% 
>

For = archives and unsub

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